WTF...OMFG...Suddenly it all Changes when Your Own Ox is the one being Gored!

A full time minimum wage job is 15k+ a year.

 

LOL your own ****ing words. You literally claimed that free markets and tax cuts don't create jobs. Are you a communist? Do you think that capitalism doesn't create jobs while only the government does because that is exactly what you argued.

 

Your abysmal reading comprehension is NOT my problem.

Those are TWO entirely SEPARATE QUOTES!

"free markets"

"tax cuts create jobs"​

That YOU erroneously CONFLATED them says volumes!

The rest of your asinine drivel has been ignored for obvious reasons.

 

One thing to note is this is far more a -governing- reality than a -business- reality. Regulations are so incompetently drafted and enforced that even normal transactions between businesses of any size and the government resemble "protection money visits" from Paulie Walnuts and the like more than business reaching out to buy corruption. The government incompetence and wrongdoing is the horse, corporate wrongdoing the cart. Both are problems, but there is no chicken-egg dilemma in this reality.

 

If it could, the free market would entirely automate production (eliminate all jobs)
The ideal free market jobs are jobs with the lowest possible wages, the worst possible work conditions, and zero concern for the environment. This is why so many american jobs have been exported to places with low wages, worse working conditions, and high pollution. If it were possible.... the free market would desire a work force comprised of slaves, children, and robots.... BECAUSE these are the economic conditions of highest profitability

The fact is that there is no intrinsic reason that the a completely free market system would creat jobs except as a collateral side effect. There is no intrisic reason free markets would create high wages, good working conditions, or contol production related environmental damage

So called Free markets certainly have powerful economic impacts that can be haranassed to deliver economic growth and general well being. But free markets should not be worshiped as being the road to an unalloyed utopia.

It is clear that a 100% tax rate would be a disaster.... and that a 0% tax rate would also be a disaster
So taxes have to be higher than 0, and lower than 100%. I think it is clear that there have been times when taxes have been higher than they currently are... and that the economy also flourished in that “higher tax” environment

 

If no one has a job who buys your stuff? Uh no again there is only one time that ever worked in this country and that was when most of the rest of the industrialized wirld had been bombed flat and under those circumstances 3% growth is not flourishing it is struggling. And again during the fifties government spending priorities were entirely different.

 

That is the product of excessive government bureaucracy creating similar jobs in the private sector in self defense. Any company with more than 50 employees - and that includes almost all big city hospitals is on the hook for demonstrating compliance with a nearly endless number of federal rules and regulation. In other words that bureaucracy largely exist by government mandate not because the corporations want or need it.

 

What is your point?
Do you assert that any taxation whatsoever will result in zero jobs
Or perhaps you assert that the clinton era of taxation resulted in zero jobs?

Of course both are absurd... so you will not be saying that
So what are you saying then
What are the conditions to which you warn us will result in zero jobs

What growth rate do you propose as flourishing?

Why are we talking about the 50s
Lets talk about the 90s

 

Ai, and collateral automation. It is impossible to fully forsee the consequences.... but it seems certain that economic interests will essentially outsource jobs to these technologies the same way they have to low labor cost geographies. Already We can anticipate that many truck driving jobs will disappear due to self driving technologies already coming to market.

 

Sorry excessive bureaucracy and profitability are not compatible. You can't make more money by hiring more people to shuffle paper work about. The companies that engage in that sort of behavior are busily trying to stave off collapse by seeking government protection a la GM. Dinosaurs always go extinct because they cannot adapt to changes in the environment. Sears is another good example of this fact.

 

Are talking corporate or individual. These are very different thing.

 

What ever you want to talk about is fine
Most partisan discussions seem to make little distinctions
I personally think there are all sorts of taxes that each have different impacts in different circumstaces.... there are gas taxes, luxury taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, social security taxes, carbon taxes, wealth taxes, cigarette and alchohol taxes, tariffs, VAT taxes, etc etc etc

 

For now let's stick with the federal taxes that currently exist in this country. We have, in the main only two. Corporate and income.

Corporate taxes are just another way to take money out of my pocket via slight of hand. Corporations do not pay taxes they collect them. Every dime corporations have comes by selling something to some one. Tax cost like all other cost ate figured into the price of whatever is sold. And please note corporate taxes are not progressive. It is the exact same rate whether the corporation is making 100k or 100million or a billion.

 

Sounds righteous to me and I took Econ 503.

 

You just said "free markets" with no other context at all. Are you claiming that all free markets are bad because even Democrats don't argue that. That would put you out on the fringe loonies area.

 

Yet another PROJECTION of your own shortcomings duly noted and ignored for derogatory reasons!

The bogus "free markets" GOP malfeasance destroyed jobs in the manufacturing sector in our nation. To argue otherwise is a denial of factual reality!

Furthermore there is ZERO EVIDENCE that taxcuts have created any jobs whatsoever!

The CONTEXT that your reading comprehension FAILED to understand was provided in the OP itself. Had you actually bothered to read the source link before posting kneejerk denialist drivel none of these posts would have been necessary.

 

Manufacturing jobs were leaving this country since the 1970s. LOL You just keep showing how ignorant you are on economics.

Never said anything about tax cuts you are the one bringing that up. There is nothing wrong with "free markets" in case you haven't noticed the US shifted from manufacturing to service and managerial jobs. Who do you think makes more the typical US worker or the typical Mexican or Chinese worker who does all the manufacturing? Second, with rising costs and wages lackluster quality control in other countries more and more manufacturing jobs are returning home.

The only countries that suffer economically are in fact the countries with heavy government regulation. Sweden has been stripping off their socialist facade for years now and they have been improving as such. Meanwhile California which is about as socialist as you can get in the US keeps falling further and further behind its contemporaries.

 

Your own exact words;

Denialism of your own words downgrades your credibility.

That you are denying the factual reality of the impact that GOP fiscal malfeasance has had on hardworking Americans says volumes.

But it does demonstrate the effectiveness of the DISINFORMATION campaign that the GOP used to promote the stripmining of the wealth of middle class America.

 

Still sticking to that sad story. You also claimed that free markets were the reason for the loss of manufacturing jobs (which is literally a related argument about not creating jobs) China didn't become the manufacturing powerhouse that it is today because of free markets they did it by cheating. Government subsidies and requiring that foreign companies hand over their research and development alongside large tariffs on imported goods is the opposite of free market. You want to be mad at someone be mad at all the politicians and leaders who allowed China to get away with cheating for years.

Manufacturing is leaving China precisely because China has been forced to make concessions in the last few years from unpegging their currency in 2015 to latest trade war tariffs etc. Forcing China to act more like a free market and less like a government sweat shop is precisely free markets do work and government regulation doesn't.