Z's First Court Appearance: He Lied Under Oath

GZ tells 911 that this person is a black teen

 

Nobody said he was under oath when he was on the recorded call and nobody said he had to "pinpoint" Trayvon's age.

It's obvious what he said on the stand contradicts what he said in the recorded call.

 

Read the transcripts again, please. Nowhere in there does he say that. He identifies Martin as an "African American male" and prior to that he estimates that he may be in his late teens. Never in the transcripts does he say the person is a "black teen." He doesn't make any assertions, he gives them his best guess. Also, I like how the left continues to refer to the non-emergency police hotline that Zimmerman called as "911." He did not call 911, that's liberal media spin, and continuing to parrot such nonsense doesn't help your position's credibility in any way whatsoever.

 

He said he "thought he was in his late teens", and then when asked, he said , " I think he's black".

AT NO TIME did he say "the suspect is a black teen."

But, enjoy making up whatever else you need to believe, like maybe getting together with Sky' and pretending that the prosecution DID NOT ADMIT that IT HAD NO EVIDENCE that Zimmerman DID NOT WALK BACK TO HIS TRUCK, or that Trayvon DID NOT throw the first punch, just today.

 

His opinion may have changed, he may have thought differently after he made the call. There is still absolutely no evidence that he "lied under oath," that's absolute horse crap. Even if what he said on the stand "contradicted" what he said in the recorded call, it in no way proves that he's deliberately being dishonest ("lying"). Your arguments seem to continue down this absolutely absurd line of what seems to be self-proclaimed clairvoyance. How is it that you can see inside people's minds? I'd really love to learn how to do that. Could you teach me please?

 

It's a "gift"...

 

I already looked. I know what it says. You're attempting to refute my argument based on a false standard.

So please explain to me how those different quotes translate into Zimmerman actually saying what Margot claimed he said which was:

Him saying that he "looks black" or even that he IS black does not automatically translate into the statement: "this person is a black teen." Zimmerman guessed that he was in his late teens, but he still never actually made the affirmative statement as an observed or verifiable fact: "this person is a black teen." If he actually said "this person is a black teen," I'd love to hear a recording which supports this and a transcript to boot. The problem is, there is no such recording and no such document. Your strawman rebuttal was unsuccessful, sorry.

 

Well now. Let's see. He said Trayvon was black and in his late teens. Gee! Why on earth would anyone say he described Trayvon as black teen?

It hilarious the amount of anal hair splitting required to even attempt to say Z didn't describe him as a black teen.

 

He said he thought Trayvon was a little bit younger than him under oath, but on the call he describes him in his late teens. That is actively lying because we know for a fact he correctly stated Trayvon was in his late teens on the recorded call.

Z's supporters have proven they don't care about lies told from Z's side which is why they never once criticized Z's dad for lying in his first letter to the media.

People can get ridiculously anal and try to spin and try to ignore the fact Z lied but it won't change anything and the prosecution will use this to show how Z's story has been changing from day one.

 

The dispatcher asked: "how old would you say he looks?" Zimmerman responds "He's got button on his shirt, late teens." He is responding to a question regarding Zimmerman's best guess. This is not what he is claiming as a verifiable or even observable fact, he is clearly telling the dispatcher what it looks like from his perspective of being a ways away.

That's how he described him, yes, but Margot claimed he stated that "this person is a black teen." That would be a statement as fact. Zimmerman never made any such statement of fact, therefore even if he contradicted his own observation, it in no way indicates a an anticipated untruth or a "lie."

 

That's all you have to say in response? How very revealing. And how incredibly droll.

 

First you claimed Zimmerman "lied under oath" during his bond hearing....an utterly unprovable charge because the actual statement he used... "a little bit younger"... carries no legally definable meaning...

Then YOU posited as fact that Zimmerman...your words, councelor.... "claimed at the bond hearing Trayvon was approximately 25 years old".... which is a maliciously misleading take on reality.

Myself, and the State of Florida, Mr. Skystryker, are not interested in fantasy and conjecture spun from whole cloth...but provable facts.
You owe the sanctity of our legal system, the concept "innocent until PROVEN guilty, and Mr. Zimmerman at least the appearance that you respect these very basic elements of justice....to wit, you have failed...miserably.

This level of incompetence by the state will not be tolerated.

Bailiff, please escort prosecutor SkyStryker out of my courtroom and to the Seminole County Jail.

 

The hairsplitting is absolutely embarrassing and it helps show they really have no legitimate way of defending Z. Even if they ignore the "little bit younger" part it does nothing to address the fact Z said he was in his late teens on the recording but on the stand says he didn't know how old he was. I'm pretty sure 17 qualifies as being in late teens.

This did give us a peek into how stupid Z is and he will hang himself at trial, if his lawyer doesn't push for a plea.

 

No, he didn't "state" anything on the recorded call, he conveyed an observation. Your argument relies on nonsense and this concept of self-proclaimed clairvoyance. Your argument seems to contend that you are able to read minds--from a great distance even.

And the defense will have a field day with the prosecution's desperate attempts to do so, because their attempts would be a clear act of desperation and it wouldn't take much for any defense attorney worth his or her salt to show the kind of desperation present in such a tactic. They'll likely have a field day with the entire case anyway, because the prosecution really doesn't have much, at least not in terms of the probable cause affidavit. It's an incredibly weak case.

 

The fact you falsely accuse me of saying something I did not say is hilarious. Z also said on the stand he didnt know how old Trayvon was. He is on record stating Trayvon was in his late teens. Go ahead and ignore that and keep putting words in my mouth to defend precious weetle Z.

 

ROTFL!!!! He didn't "state" anything on the recorded call???? lol.....that is where I stopped reading that post. Good grief Z is history.

 

Z's exact words on the stand:

"I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son," Zimmerman stated. "I didn't know his age. I
thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know whether he was armed or not."

He didn't know his age? He knew he was in his late teens on the recorded call. Trayvon was 17 so Z was right on the money and now he says he didn't know his age and his supporters see no lies......lol.....

 

He didn't state anything as fact when it came to his observations. He wasn't stating facts, he was conveying observations. Your argument conveniently ignored the initial context of my argument.

 

He knew he was in his late teens at the time of the call? Prove this statement. He thought he looked like he might have been in his late teens, but there is nothing to prove that he knew he was in his late teens. That's where your argument becomes an exercise in absurdity. It seems to be claiming to be able to see inside Zimmerman's mind in the past. How incredibly laughable.

 

"17 years old" = age
"Late teens" = estimation of age
"a little bit younger" = estimation of age

Keep flailing.

 

Really?

So after getting hit from behind and his nose broken and while his head was being cracked against the sidewalk Zimmerman thinks to himself "hmm, I was wrong. This kid is apparently much older than I first thought. Based on his size and how hard he hit me he must be almost my age?"

How old Zimmerman though Martin was has no relevance except to show that Zimmerman has, once again, changed his story.