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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Not according to international law- and that's what counts, old chap. Otherwise the Palestinians could unilaterally declare their State to be the whole of Palestine and we could all start accepting neoZionist refugees tomorrow. Want some ?
    What matters is who owns it, not who recognizes it.


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    Moon, Zionist are not, by definition, interested in any agreement, least of all one which would see them return stolen land back to the Palestinian people.

    To expect them to do that, would be akin to the Nazi's agreeing that their ideas on racial purity were a pseudo science - it would not fit with their own aims.

    Zionism is expansionism. Zionism is expansionism through theft and violation of international law. Zionism is anti law. Zionism has the same twisted racial purity element that was mentioned in Hitler's ideas. Only for the 'Chosen'.

    What Israel are 'good' at is pretending the the US media that they are the VICTIMS, they are good at making out like they are civilised and cultured, when by their actions, they are anything but.

    It is smoke and mirrors from them.

    They have no intention of doing what I mentioned before, because Zionism relies on the expansion into that region. So that more of their 'Chosen' can go live there, at the expense, of course, of more land, stolen land, and more laws being broken. Zionism is a hateful and wicked idealogy, who would ideally wish to steal all the land, and more, of the Palestinans, even if it meant the literal eradication of them. Like I said - wicked and hateful.

    There is some cookie quasi religous elements to this, as well, for example, all Jews are to be assembled in this modern Israel. Think about that. There are six million in Israel. Around six million in America. And another six million or so, in Europe. So, in order for this mad part to be honoured, those other 12 million that I mentioned, they would have to be relocated to this Israel.

    We already see some evidence of this, it is not a conspiracy theory, not when Israel offer land and bribes to Jews from elsewhere, who go live there.

    So, this extra 12 million are going to be accomodated where, do you think?

    Doesn't take a genius to figure it out...
    Manis Friedman;
    "I donít believe in western morality, i.e. donít kill civilians or children, donít destroy holy sites, donít fight during holiday seasons, donít bomb cemeteries, donít shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral.
    The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: "Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)."

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    Yes, but they don't want to go. Many non-Israeli jews have no interest in ' Zion ' as a physical entity and they are very happy to remain within the societies into which they are already inseparably integrated. Others, malcontents , propaganda victims etc., are discouraged from joining the Great Land Theft by the thought of getting a rockette up their arse. In that respect the resistance is very successful.
    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, .. Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, ..Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

    Omar Khayyam


    Zionism is criminal by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    are discouraged from joining the Great Land Theft by the thought of getting a rockette up their arse. In that respect the resistance is very successful.
    ^^ moon endorsing terrorism. Just face it when Jordan decided to join in and attack Israel in 67, Israel took that as a sign that they needed to assert occupation as a measure of security. Thats what happens in wars. The only problem has been those non-Jewish locals who decided to reject the offer of Israeli citizenship and instead continue the fight ad infinitum whilst preaching oppression.... knowing if they keep it up long enough someone will listen for some reason, and so now here we are half a century of wasted blood later and overpopulation is the 'proof' of Israeli expansionism they were looking for. the only reason the UN recognizes anything other then the West Bank being in Israel is because Israel was compassionate enough to let the locals stay a refugees in their own homes. See above bold, they did not have to, they could have round up anyone not accepting a passport and sent them elsewhere as the squatters they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axialturban View Post
    ^^ moon endorsing terrorism. Just face it when Jordan decided to join in and attack Israel in 67, Israel took that as a sign that they needed to assert occupation as a measure of security. Thats what happens in wars. The only problem has been those non-Jewish locals who decided to reject the offer of Israeli citizenship and instead continue the fight ad infinitum whilst preaching oppression.... knowing if they keep it up long enough someone will listen for some reason, and so now here we are half a century of wasted blood later and overpopulation is the 'proof' of Israeli expansionism they were looking for. the only reason the UN recognizes anything other then the West Bank being in Israel is because Israel was compassionate enough to let the locals stay a refugees in their own homes. See above bold, they did not have to, they could have round up anyone not accepting a passport and sent them elsewhere as the squatters they are.
    Theyre not squatters, theyve been there longer than anyone. They buuilt the place and all the historical industries in it.

    Moreover theres no reason for occupied people to accept their annexation by accepting citizenship. Thats patently an immoral act and you know it.

    But please, do not trouble us further. Your not interested in serious discussion with us and youre not really ready to bring it to us.
    "but it is nevertheless true that it is value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property. Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated land owes to the community a ground-rent, for I know no better term to express the idea by, for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by axialturban View Post
    ^^ moon endorsing terrorism. .

    Not at all. I support resistance to criminality and brutality. Having you stick moronic labels on it doesn't mean squat- if you'll pardon the expression.
    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, .. Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, ..Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

    Omar Khayyam


    Zionism is criminal by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Not at all. I support resistance to criminality and brutality. Having you stick moronic labels on it doesn't mean squat- if you'll pardon the expression.
    Ever since the 1950s, the Palestinians have embraced various violent methods to support their cause, including outright terrorist atrocities (high-jackings, bombings, Munich massacre, etcetera). The efficacy of this 'resistance' can be seen in how much better off the Palestinians are today than they were 50 years ago, just as their attempt to overthrow the monarchy in Jordan in 1970 worked out so well for them (sarcasm alert).

    The rockettes are almost random in their flight paths and are not a major concern to most Israelis. What they are is a symbol, both for Hamas and for Israel, of continued evidence that there can be no peace between Israel and Palestine. Just how Hamas expects to win the war is a separate question I have never heard a Hamas spokesman give a coherent answer to.

    To use Moon's favorite example, the ANC's armed struggle was a joke as well and it probably delayed the eventual collapse of apartheid in South Africa (instead of hastening it). And if Moon is harkening to something like the Cuban revolutionaries, the Palestinians are not Castro in Cuba but rather Che in Bolivia. Non-violent protest and civil disobedience would be a much more effective tactic for the Palestinians, but they would rather throw stones and rockettes.
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    QUOTE: "Palestinian statehood bid to be reviewed by UN committee."

    QUESTION: Does the current bid for "Palestinian statehood" apply to an organization and/or to a geographic region? I can't envision how a Palestinian organization (as in "group") could be admitted to the UN. But on the other hand, the current bid for statehood doesn't appear to include a defined geographic region (as in land area) that can be marked on a map. If Palestine is to be recognized as a State, it seems reasonable to ask, where is "Palestine"? I hope someone will post a link to a map of the proposed "Palestine"; or at least offer an explanation as to what it is that seeks to be a member of the UN.
    Last edited by Topquark; Oct 03 2011 at 05:50 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topquark View Post
    QUOTE: "Palestinian statehood bid to be reviewed by UN committee."

    QUESTION: Does the current bid for "Palestinian statehood" apply to an organization and/or to a geographic region? I can't envision how a Palestinian organization (as in "group") could be admitted to the UN. But on the other hand, the current bid for statehood doesn't appear to include a defined geographic region (as in land area) that can be marked on a map. If Palestine is to be recognized as a State, it seems reasonable to ask, where is "Palestine"? I hope someone will post a link to a map of the proposed "Palestine"; or at least offer an explanation as to what it is that seeks to be a member of the UN.
    The current consensus is that the Palestinian State should be on the ' pre-1967 borders '. That's roughly Map 3, below.



    Of course, that should never be the ' final status '. Map 2 was the original carve-up prior to concentrated ethnic-cleansing on the part of Zionist terror gangs.
    Even fairer would be Map #1, the state of Palestine before self-serving Western powers screwed things up.

    The term ' State ' is, of course, a political term. The physical territory of Palestine is as in Map #1.
    Last edited by moon; Oct 03 2011 at 06:53 AM.
    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, .. Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, ..Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

    Omar Khayyam


    Zionism is criminal by default.

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    Palestinian UN bid moves step further in UN Security Council


    Membership committee says report on Palestinian membership application to be presented by early next month.

    European diplomats said the committee had finished discussion on the issue of a Palestinian state, the first of three criteria demanded by the council before it would grant UN membership to the Palestinians.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...uncil-1.390841

    Bravo !


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    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, .. Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, ..Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

    Omar Khayyam


    Zionism is criminal by default.

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