The Truth about Immigration

You get it wrong every time. There is no need to stop immigration. There is a need to stop ILLEGAL immigration.

 

if that were the case then immigration wouldn't be something we seem to have grown so dependant on.

 

Let's not forget that the illegals currently are getting welfare from the hard working taxpayers of this country.

So the illegal comes through the border (nationality, race, religion, color doesn't matter)

Who pays for that illegal to start his/her life?

The taxpayers do. They are given FREE healthcare courtesy of our current politicians in charge.

Does any taxpaying citizen get free stuff from our current politicians? No.

Why is that?

And more importantly why are't the taxpayers allowed to vote weather or not illegals get free anything?

And of course let's address the jobs they do: construction, car washing, landscaping, and these jobs are not jobs at all, they are businesses they start without a license, insurance, and without paying taxes.

Need proof? Drive around your city a bit and you'll see many carwashes on the "side of the road". Or go to a home depot parking lot, you've all seen these.

Illegals are a much bigger problem than most realize or take the time to research.

 

Hahahaha! Your lack of knowledge is showing.

I am a chart reader. I do not push for anything in the stock market. I read the charts and follow what they tell me that the people-in-the-know-with-big-money are doing. I just as easily buy a stock as go short a stock.

What this means is that I look at what is happening in real life and follow it in order to make profits. Given that I am successful at it, it means that my evaluation of reality (truth) is correct. When you say I deny and obfuscate I have to laugh because it is the exact opposite. I clarify and take advantage of what is actually happening. You on the opposite side are the one trying to see things from your biased point of view. You are the one that denies and obfuscates.

 

First of all, you are talking about extremes and I am not. I am not for open borders. Nonetheless, the articles I showed give good reasons for allowing immigration to continue. That goes mostly against what most people on the right believe. Most of them want closed borders.

As far as your statement about our collapse coming, I totally agree with you. Nonetheless and at this time, the collapse is not going to be because of immigration but because of the low trust that is occurring and low trust has to do with lying and not willing to compromise on anything.

 

I want the same but the problem is not just ours to solve but the entire world to solve. So far, I have not seen any nation have any success in stopping illegal immigration from occurring. It is an impossible-to-stop issue. Biden and the Democrats are trying to do that but contrary to what the Republicans are doing, the Democrats are trying to use humanity to address it.

The reality is that at this time, illegal immigration is not really as big an issue as the Republicans are making it out to be. We have plenty of room and the economic ability to cope with it without hurting our nations (articles in the OP show that to be true). As I said before, India has 4 times more population than we do and 1/3 the territory and illegal immigration is not killing them.

 

Pure speculative statement that is opinion and not fact, especially since OUR NATION is a nation of immigrants............fully and completely

 

WORDS won't do squat... a WALL will.
TWO MILLION is NO BIG DEAL?
No one is sneaking into India... Indians ARE sneaking into the USA.
(Who the heck would go to INDIA for a better life?)

 

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I agree with you but then reality comes into play. Stopping illegal immigration is mostly impossible to do. Show me one single nation in the world that has been successful at stopping it and I will shut up.

Complaining about an impossible-to-solve situation and blaming the people in charge is totally useless and ridiculous. The Democrats do not want open borders just as much as the Republicans don't want them. The difference between the two is that the Democrats show humanity while the Republicans don't. Simply stated, the Democrats are showing the values (morals, ethics, principles and humanity) that made America great while the Republicans want to turn us into a bully (Autocracy) system.

 

Hungary... with a barbed wire fence... Japan....

 

First of all, you (personally) do not know all the facts regarding the benefits and consequences of building a wall. Everything in life has benefits and consequences and decisions are usually made by choosing which is the best option "overall".

n this particular case regarding what is happening in the U.S., the problem lies in the fact that the Republicans have put more importance than the Democrats in the immigration issue. To Republicans, the benefits of a wall are bigger than the consequence and for the Democrats it is the opposite. Nonetheless, the reality is that the differences have to do with opinion and not with data. Data (as it was shown by the articles in the OP) show that illegal immigration is not as big an issue as the Republicans make it out to be. That may change in the "future" but that is not the case now.

As far as India. I grant you that it is not a nation that a lot of immigrants want to go to but even then, it is an issue there as well. I can tell you that Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Pakistan and many other nations do not have much of an immigration problem but it is because they would not have better lives there. If you want to stop immigration to the U.S., the answer is simple. Turn the U.S. into what those countries are and suddenly people will not want to come here. Do you want that? Do you want us to be like Russia, China, North Korea?

Illegal Immigration From Bangladesh to India

 

You are comparing the benefits the U.S. offers to immigrants to that offered by Hungary.........and then there is this fact that is a big negative to the country: Hungary is being seen as a bully in their treatment of immigrants. You want the U.S. to be seen as a bully and a country that has no humanity?

In addition, Hungary does not have the economy or the territory to be able to accept immigration like the U.S. has (see the articles in the OP).

As far as Japan is concerned:

Japan’s Self-Destructive Immigration Policy
Criminalizing asylum seekers and stigmatizing immigration is only worsening Japan’s demographic crisis.

Let me ask you a personal question. Is the immigration problem in the U.S. causing you personally the kind of problems that you would be willing to accept these types of consequences?

 

Eastern Europe solved the problem. They walk the illegal in, process them and kick them out the very same day. Israel has zero illegal immigration..... absolute 0. They also have gun turrets ON THEIR BORDER WALL. Japan, China and Korea do not have this problem. If your government cares about illegal immigration, it can stop it with relative ease. If your government wants illegal immigration, it can spend it resources on convincing its citizens that it is impossible to stop illegal immigration. The money the American government spent apparently worked on you.

Each of those countries have far far less violent crime than America and far far more trust.

 

Are you willing to move to Japan, China, Korea? Evidently our immigration policy is bothering you so much that continuing to live here is not a solution for you. Go there and live in peace.

Israel does not have a problem because anyone that is not Jewish has no future in Israel. They would not be able to work or earn a living. Israel is a total closed society and their nation is NOT BUILT on immigration as ours is. Each and every person in Israel is Jewish and their fathers, forefathers, and all the way back to the its birth of the nation has been there from the beginning.

Every person in the U.S. (with the exception of the Indians) has some parent in their family tree that is from somewhere else. You want to erase that? You can't as it is a fact.

 

Delusional. 150 years ago Israel was primarily Middle Eastern arabs. The Israeli state is composed primarily of Jewish European immigrants and their descendants. In addition, any Jew from any country on the planet has free entry into their country based on that.

And yes I am willing to move to Poland. If they don't go woke I may retire there. It is a high trust society. The west is currently fighting a culture war with Poland in an attempt to liberalize it. If they succeed in subverting Eastern Europe, there will be no place to flee to.

 

Let me make a statement here that will tell you exactly where I stand in the immigration issue.

I do not want or condone illegal immigrants coming in. I think legal immigration is good but illegal immigration is bad.

In addition, I do "agree" that Biden has made things worse and that he needs to reconsider what he has generated (a rise of people coming here). Nonetheless, this is a problem that never needed to get to this point. For decades the Democrats have tried to find a compromise with Republicans regarding immigration and the Republicans have refused to budge. If we had compromised on an approach to immigration, the problems we are seeing now would never have occurred.

Biden has exacerbated the problem due to his humanity. As I always state, all extremes are bad and this extreme that Biden has gone to with the humanity side is extreme. I do believe he is starting to realize it and attempting to change. Certainly many of their own party people have complained (the Democrats are not united on the Immigration issue) and there needs to be a compromise within the party itself right now.

Nonetheless, let us not fool ourselves. The problem is not recent and it was not caused by Biden. This problem could have been solved to a better degree sometime over the past 30 years and it hasn't because the Republicans have never been willing to compromise...........starting with DACA, which are people that were brought here as children without their consent and now that they are basically Americans and the Republicans have refused to allow them a path to citizenship.

This immigration crisis is more about the lack of compromise by the Republicans than anything the Democrats have done.

 

I am not interested in "growing" or "moving forward."

 

It's fact.

Can our society procreate at a replacement/growth rate right now?

You can't have it both ways you can't sit here and create a thread talking up the pros of immigration without ignoring the fact that when you do that it inherently cons domestic population

domestic population which is a product of our progressive society that we've created

K. Thanks for playing.

 

Need I say more?

 

You could expand on what you mean by "moving forward" and why that is a good thing.

 

Your point is good. Stephen Colbert made that point many years ago on Comedy Central. I think most people recognize that.

The problem so many on the left don't seem to understand is that immigration should be regulated. Just as we need the sun to live, too much sun will kill you.

What's happening now is not immigration, it is an invasion, and a very stupid policy, not to mention illegal.

 

Low trust comes from diversity as has been well documented in the literature.

https://wcfia.harvard.edu/publications/downside-diversity

Unwillingness to compromise is a symptom of low trust, not a cause.

 

The rawest recruit knows that any successful security perimeter BEGINS with building obstacles. That's what we need... a security perimeter... and that begins with a WALL.

You may not see TWO MILLION illegal immigrants as a problem. But our border towns sure do.

You contradict yourself. In one breath you say that India "is not a nation that a lot of immigrants want to go to" and in the next say "but even then, it is an issue as well."Ok... so if it IS an issue in India that has fewer folks trying to get in... doesn't it make sense that in a country where HUGE numbers of people want in... its an even BIGGER issue?

A country without secure borders is no country at all.

 

Hungary successfully stopped illegal immigration.

 

Securing our borders is being a bully? Wow.