Going to be hard to stop the Train.

False dichotomy.

How do you know?

 

Thus the "what do you think" and the qualifiers "it appears" and "I believe" Please feel free to add any statistics, beliefs, opinions about the topic and not about the OP.

 

OHHH It weren't just conservatives

 

Where was the widespread public support in the wake of the last two incidents that you described? Why was that support extremely short-lived?

 

The numbers of background checks being performed by the FBI for firearm sales, when broken down on a daily basis, assuming ninety percent of the reported number was followed by the sale of a firearm, suggest around forty one thousand firearms are being bought in the united states each day. It is extremely difficult to make the argument that the same individuals are simply buying more firearms in the face of such statistics. Why would they undergo multiple background checks, rather than perform numerous purchases under one background check?

 

Incorrect. The legal definition of a mass shooting involves four or more people being killed in the same incident.

 

For the most part the united states has done nothing when compared to other countries, and yet the incidents of firearm-related violence have been dropping sharply, despite the number of privately owned firearms increasing. Doing nothing is not unacceptable when the problem is burning itself out on its own accord.

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Other countries are devoid of constitutional rights that limit the effectiveness of government. For all intents and purposes, no other country has constitutional rights.

 

Not all laws reduce crime, some increase crime.

What resulted from the Prohibition laws? What's the result of the criminalization of drugs and the "war on drugs"?

And don't forget, Australia implemented severe gun control and violent crime increased 33%. The USA decreased gun control and violent crime decreased >50%.

 

People obviously realized that more people will have to die in greater numbers in more incidents before an overwhelming majority of Americans realize that laws regarding gun ownership need to be reviewed and press for change.

 

Why? You provide no details whatsoever.

 

What laws regarding gun ownership need to be reviewed and changed, and how would you suggest that this happen in a manner that's Constitutional, effective, enforceable, passable and necessary?

 

In Ohio, if your CCW was issued (new or renewal) after March of 2016, you can forgo a background check. Mine doesn't expire for 12 months so I still have to do the checks but many people at the three places where I normally buy guns do not. The more people who buy stuff like AR-15s-the better because under the Heller holding, stuff in common use are protected by Heller. so the more AR-15s sold, the more likely any attempt to ban them will fail.

 

10 years ago, Cincinnati only had one commercial indoor shooting range (Targetworld-since 1975). In the last 4 years, ReadyLine (east side of Greater Cincinnati), PointBlank East (NE side of greater Cincinnati), PointBlank West (west side of Cincinnati) have all opened. In addition PB opened a range in nearby Florence KY as well to complement two other ranges in Northern KY and the traffic at TW appears to be the same it was before these new ranges opened. Additionally, one of the two biggest gun clubs in the area-Miami Rifle and Pistol Club-has a three year waiting period to get in

shooting is way up where I live

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Nonsense-there are at least 20 million more guns in circulation now than in 1993 and accidental shootings have gone down. The vast majority of gun crimes are caused by inner city minorities. Honest gun owners aren't causing increased crime rates

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His posts suggest that he's a gun banner.. I have found that the proper interpretation of the second amendment tends to be ignored by gun banners

 

They are not dropping near fast enough according to many americans

 

Any day where you buy yourself a new gun, or for some, a first gun....is a good day for America. I don't know how many I own but it is between 75 and 100 firearms. It's like stamps or baseball cards. Buy buy buy. Never sell, but trading is ok.

 

that's not true. Most americans who don't own guns are not invested in the gun control movement. They might pay it lip service when loud mouthed agitators from the BM start squawking but most of those whining about gun deaths are members of the BM who are pushing for gun bans irrespective of the amount of crime involving guns.

The proof is undeniable that the BM is not motivated by public safety but rather the politics of the NRA and many gun owners

 

I am a competitive shooter. I am always looking to upgrade my weaponry to gain a competitive advantage. I rarely sell guns that I no longer compete with-but I have given 25-30 of them away. Plus I give people guns as gifts fairly often. My son's best friend turned 18 and is going into to reserves. So we built him an AR 15 from a Spikes Tactical lower and a M&A Parts upper. I like M&A parts since you can pretty much do an a la carte order. What jacks up the cost on many upper grade AR 15s is the handguards-some can run 250 bucks, So what I do is get a top of the line barrel, chrome lined, a top of the line Bolt carrier and bolt, and top of the line steel sights and put a basic Magpul hand guard on it and you have a rifle that performs like a 1500 Daniels or LMT with a cost of around 1000.

 

In my state they just voted for gun control. The people have spoken

 

You mean they are not dropping fast enough in urban drug centers where the perps cannot legally possess guns and disregard gun laws. Including any potential new ones. The rest of the country's stats have been dropping nicely. We know this because the firearm homicide rates in the inner cities have been going up or remaining the same while overall rates have been on a downward trend.

 

Yeah we need to get them to stop where most of the people live. LOL

 

The people were buffaloed into thinking background checks in Nevada will some how reduce firearm homicides.

 

Then go take them from the criminals in the ghettos. If you are successful then our stats will become unremarkable, and you can drop the gun control attack on lawful citizens.

 

I think referendums are the way to go now. It lets politicians off the hook since they can say they did not vote for it and it accurately reflects the will of the people. Unless you hate the will of the people. LOL

 

they voted for a feel good placebo. Some who did might well be gun owners who are ignorant of the real goals of the BM and figured if they supported this placebo, people like you would stop calling for more and more gun bans. I was general counsel of a 3000+ membership 100% NRA member club and I would lobby the City of Cincinnati over gun laws years ago. And its amazing how many trap shooters were happy to agree to say a 20 round magazine limit thinking it would stop the gun banners from seeking further bans that might affect trap shooting.

It took us awhile to convince those sheep that gun banners are about banning guns and sacrificing some guns to appease them is a waste of time. however, those who don't belong to clubs where education is provided, will still "throw grandma to the wolves" in order to believe they are saving themselves. The gun banning movement is like cancer-you cannot give it compromises and expect it to stop moving.

and I am sure people like you will demand more gun laws in the future. after all-crime is going down and people like you are still demanding more gun restrictions. so no matter WHAT happens in Nevada, you will call for more and more restrictions

 

MUCH MUCH more gun restrictions. And its good to know there are still people out there we can reach. Shouldn't the will of the people be heard?