ISIS executes 19 girls for refusing to have sex with fighters

WRONG! An Absurd statement that only serves to attempt to Justify an Unbridled HATE
A Willfully Ignorant Statement - that flies in the face of ADMITTED Fact

Hear it here from the horses mouth !

The creation of ISIS and the rise of Islamic State was a "Willful Decision"
... on the part of the US DIA & DOD - these people & the fools who mouth for them,
......................................................................................... have Blood on their hands

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Former Defense Intelligence Agency Chief Says
The Rise of Islamic State Was “A Willful Decision

LINKS in purple

In Al Jazeera’s latest Head to Head episode, former director of the Defense Intelligence
Agency Michael Flynn confirms to Mehdi Hasan that not only had he studied the DIA memo
predicting the West’s backing of an Islamic State in Syria when it came across his
desk in 2012, but even asserts that the White House’s sponsoring of radical jihadists (that
would emerge as ISIL and Nusra) against the Syrian regime was “a willful decision.”

Amazingly, Flynn actually took issue with the way interviewer Mehdi Hasan posed the
question—Flynn seemed to want to make it clear that the policies that led to the rise of
ISIL were not merely the result of ignorance or looking the other way, but the result of
conscious decision making:

Hasan: You are basically saying that even in government at the time you knew these
groups were around, you saw this analysis, and you were arguing against it, but who
wasn’t listening?

Flynn: I think the administration.

Hasan: So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?

Flynn: I don’t know that they turned a blind eye, I think it was a decision. I think it was a
willful decision.

Hasan: A willful decision to support an insurgency that had Salafists, Al Qaeda and the
Muslim Brotherhood?

Flynn: It was a willful decision to do what they’re doing.

Hasan himself expresses surprise at Flynn’s frankness during this portion of the
interview. While holding up a paper copy of the 2012 DIA report declassified through
FOIA, Hasan reads aloud key passages such as, “there is the possibility of establishing a
declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria, and this is exactly what the
supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime.”

Rather than downplay the importance of the document and these startling passages, as
did the State Department soon after its release, Flynn does the opposite: he confirms that
while acting DIA chief he “paid very close attention” to this report in particular and later
adds that “the intelligence was very clear.”

Lt. Gen. Flynn, speaking safely from retirement, is the highest ranking intelligence
official to go on record saying the United States and other state sponsors of rebels in
Syria knowingly gave political backing and shipped weapons to Al-Qaeda in order to put
pressure on the Syrian regime:

Hasan: In 2012 the U.S. was helping coordinate arms transfers to those same groups
[Salafists, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda in Iraq], why did you not stop that if you’re
worried about the rise of quote-unquote Islamic extremists?

Flynn: I hate to say it’s not my job…but that…my job was to…was to to ensure that the
accuracy of our intelligence that was being presented was as good as it could be.

The early reporting that treated the DIA memo as newsworthy and hugely revelatory was
criticized and even mocked by some experts, as well as outlets like The Daily Beast. Yet
the very DIA director at the time the memo was drafted and circulated widely now
unambiguously confirms the document to be of high value, and indicates that it served as
source material in his own discussions over Syria policy with the White House.

As Michael Flynn also previously served as director of intelligence for Joint Special
Operations Command (JSOC) during a time when its prime global mission was
dismantling Al-Qaeda, his honest admission that the White House was in fact arming and
bolstering Al-Qaeda linked groups in Syria is especially shocking given his stature.

Consider further the dissonance that comes with viewing the Pentagon’s former highest
ranking intelligence officer in charge of the hunt for Osama bin Laden now calmly and
coolly confessing that the United States directly aided the foot soldiers of Ayman al-
Zawahiri beginning in at least 2012 in Syria.

This confirmation is significant to my own coverage of the DIA report, as I was contacted
by a number of individuals who attempted to assure me that the true experts and
“insiders” knew the document was unimportant and therefore irrelevant within the
intelligence community and broader Syria policy.

This began after a Daily Beast article entitled The ISIS Conspiracy That Ate the Web
cited former NSA officer John Schindler as an expert source. Schindler concluded of the
DIA document: “it’s difficult to say much meaningful about it… Nothing special here,
not one bit.”

To my surprise, only hours after I published a rebuttal of Schindler and the Daily Beast
article, I was contacted by a current high level CIA official who is also a personal friend
from my time living in the D.C. area.

This official, who spent most of his career with CIA Public Affairs, made a personal
appeal urging me to drop my comments attacking John Schindler’s credibility, as I had
noted that Schindler is a highly ideological and scandal-laden commentator who
consistently claims special insider knowledge in support of his arguments. This CIA
official further attempted to convince me of Schindler’s credibility as an insider and
expert, assuring me that “he has written insightfully.”

Mehdi Hasan’s historic interview with General Flynn should put the issue to rest—the
declassified DIA report is now confirmed to be a central and vital source that sheds light
on the origins of ISIS, and must inform a candid national debate on American policy in
Syria and Iraq.

As it is now already becoming part of the official record on conflict in Syria among
respected international historians, knowledge of the declassified document must make it
into every American household.
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& the word Nonsense seems the strongest rebuttal "dixon" can manage in the face of FACT


Seems this sort of Nonsense is the only response you people have to push against the Facts
Facts as they are revealed by the Pentagons own reports - How do you people live with yourselves ?

Even when your own premier defense agency, the Pentagon baldly admits it's involvement
in creating ISIS, yet you brainwashed sheep insist on continuing to deny that clearly exposed Fact
That's a pretty hard head you got there "dixon"




Declassified Pentagon Report:
US Created ISIL As A Tool Against Assad
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/0...report-us-created-isil-as-tool-against-assad/

Media Attempts To Black Out Pentagon Report
Exposing U.S. Role In ISIS Creation
http://www.mintpressnews.com/media-...rt-exposing-u-s-role-in-isis-creation/206187/

Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS
As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ed-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Newly-Declassified U.S. Government Documents:
The West Supported the Creation of ISIS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html



SO COUNT THOSE 19 GIRLS ON TO
THE PENTAGON'S BLOODY LEDGER





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Do citizens of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria adhere to the teachings of Qu'ran in the strictest possible way?

Yes, no? Do the not pray, fast, treat their women and kill their enemies exactly as Islam prescribes? Yes, no?

 

Plagues such as ISIS, Al Queda, Taleban and company, are all ultimately the product of policies to contain and roll back Iran.

In the 1980s, after the Iranian revolution, with US support and encouragement, the Saudi began to heavily invest in promoting their Wahabi ideology across the region to counter Iranian efforts to carry the mantle of political Islam. One of the features of Wahabi ideology is not just its vehemently anti-Shia character, but also its view that pristine or real Islam was hijacked under Persian influence and that what some historians have dubbed "Iranian Islam" -- the cultural practices that emerged during the Golden Age of Islam and thereafter under various Islamic regimes, including the Ottomans as well as their rivals in Iran, the Safavids -- is an aberration that needs to be cleansed and Islam purified from its influences. Hence, the message that was being developed through the propaganda in these madrasas fit perfectly the anti-Iran/contain Iran agenda of the US, Saudi Arabia and company (all also working with Saddam to fight Iran directly in this time frame, the Saudis and company pouring in hundreds of billions into Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war). At the same time, in Afghanistan, while Iran and the US were both working to free that country of Soviet occupation, the Saudis, Pakistanis and others were also working with the US on the sides within the resistance to emerge once the Russians were kicked out. After the Russians were kicked out, the groups Iran supported joined in what became the "Northern Alliance". The groups the US implicitly, and its allies (Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Pakistan) explicitly supported were the Taleban. Never mind that with 9/11, these policies came to bite the US as well: Al Queda and the Taleban came to being with overt funding and support of US allies, with the US winking if not doing more all along.

As for ISIS, they are the product of the same American obsession against Iran. In Syria, the US and its allies worked hard to bring down Assad, not because of any "human rights concerns". The US and company were more than willing to cut a deal with Assad (even dangling the possibility of returning the Golan to him) so long as he promised to sever his close ties to Iran and exit the "axis of resistance" composed of Iran, Syria and Hezbollah at the time. When Assad didn't, Syria was thrown into turmoil and civil war to remove him from power. In the process, we saw Jihadists from all over the world pour into Syria, with the Turks, Saudis, Qataris and other directly helping and arming them with the US and its allies winking at what was happening because they had said "Assad must go". At the same time, in Iraq, the US had created a monster called the Sons of Iraq -- a 100,000 men Sunni army funded by the US, ostensibly to fight Al Queda but in reality (as noted even at the time of the surge by Seymour Hersh among others) to help contain Iranian influence in Iraq. The Sunni militia included many former Saddam Baathist soldiers and officers and these same soldiers and officers, and those trained by them with US funding, then went to work under ISIS. ISIS itself gaining the traction it found because Syria was in the meantime turned into anarchy while US policy in Iraq also precluded the majority of Iraqis (the Shia) in alliance with the Kurds to have a government that was powerful enough to rid the country of a minority community which was supported by outsiders as a means to make sure Iraq is under control and doesn't become too close to Iran.

Anyway, the story is quite involved and goes far beyond the revelations that emerge here and there. While the US might not like the monster it has helped create in ISIS, the same way it may not have liked the monster it helped create in Al Queda, or the monster it helped create in Saddam, these monsters were all born from similar US policies and America's obsession with Iran.

 

Your arrogance betrays a cheap dodge that attempts to avoid the FACT that the US DOD
.............................................................................................. sponsored the creation of ISIS
.................................................................................................. I hold your feet to the fire on that one




As to the Fact that there are Mad DOG Rabid Fundamentalists within Islam - that's a given
But so too there seems to be those same sort of PIGs within the Fundy Jewish Community
As I am sure there are some CREEPED OUT Xtians about who would like to burn me as a Witch

The recent Brutal Immolation of a Moslem child kind of proves that unfortunate FACT doesn't it Dutch?

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This is Islam, Sharia Law gives non-Muslim women no rights and largely they are property so does this surprise anyone since the religion is not peaceful. They could opt to covert it might at least kick in some basic protections if the girls behave like good little Islamic women.

 

What do I think? Hmmmmm, well,... hussein seems to think they are "JV"....

 

No, Obama is a good pastor! You remember his religious speech which all West admired... Yes we can...Yes we can

 

Question....if there was no Islam, would there be an ISIS?

 

The context is really complicated. The episode can be considered part of the extremist environment that ISIS has created in some regions of ME [worst than what Talibans did in Afghanistan, I would say].

About who supplies who and who is friend with whom, the problem is that there are some crossed friendships and hostilities.

The last example was just showed by the involvement of Turkey: Turkey considers PKK [Kurds] enemy, ISIS is enemy of Kurds, Turkey fights both, the Western powers say nothing ... [just remarking that if Turkey attacks only PKK and not Kurds in general it's OK].

So, wait for a lot of confusion. And don't exclude that also Russia will show some odd behaviors ... [as for I know Russia supports Kurd liberation movement, also in Syria? Or in Syria Moscow prefers Assad to Kurds?]

 

Assuming the Daily Fail is giving accurate information. The schoolgirls who were kidnapped were forced to pretend they had changed religion from Christian to Islam and later were forced to kill Christians or be killed themselves. Also with this rape racket they know if they do not do it they will be beaten, possibly killed.


One of the daughters of the Minister of the schoolgirls who were kidnapped was apparently stoned to death for refusing to 'convert'. Her Mother when asked, holding back her tears, said she died an honourable death.

Hard one to call here. The girls are standing up for what they believe with their lives. Not doing so would probably result in the loss of their soul.

As for ISIS being about Islam. No it is not. It is about politics.

 

No. A simple example. Mohammed did not proscribe religion. Everyone was free to go with their conscience.

 

Here's the thing...and I don't know the extent of the US involvement but Saudi's most certainly. The Syrianian uprising began completely peacefully. They had three No's - No Violence, No sectarianism and No outside Interference. During this time Assad was certainly killing innocent protestors. Some but a surprisingly few Syrian Army left on the side of the 'uprising'. At first they too were told they were to be peaceful and were used mostly as guards. The problem began when large amounts of money started entering these soldiers bank accounts with the demand that they start actively attacking Assad. Then the numbers of death rose exponentially. Generally the people were not keen on these military as they had a tendency to be criminals and thieves. When the AL Qaeda/Isis types originally arrived they liked them because they brought food but very quickly changed their minds when they began their atrocities.

The people of Syria have been destroyed by everyone who interfered. Remember what their revolution was based on 'No violence, No sectarianism and no outside interference' and they put the root cause of the problems as from outside interference when money started appearing in the deserted soldiers accounts demanding they attack.

Information mainly from Open Democracy.

 

Thus does it make sense to stay as far away from that Middle Eastern nightmare as humanly possible for ANYONE who does not live there. Actually the same goes for EVERY nation in that region...they do not want western influences, so the western nations should stop everything including aid, weapons, food, EVERYTHING. It is long past time to stop caring what they do to each other and just watch.....VERY CAREFULLY to be sure they stay over there.

 

That’s absolute nonsense. I’ve got to tell you. You haven’t got the clue.

According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: "I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business", he told French television:
"I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria."

Roland Dumas: The British prepared for war in Syria 2 years before the eruption of the crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY

Seymour Hersh, “The Red Line and the Rat Line,” London Review of Books, April 17, 2014. https://web.archive.org/web/2015031...seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

Patrick Cockburn, “MI6, the CIA and Turkey’s rogue game in Syria,” The Independent, April 13, 2014. https://web.archive.org/web/2015011...-and-turkeys-rogue-game-in-syria-9256551.html


Nafeez Ahmed, “UK pays price for MI5 courting terror,” Asia Times, May 30, 2013. https://web.archive.org/web/20130801060233/http://atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-300513.html

 

Even if what you say is true, that does nothing to change what the people of Syria were doing. Please do not be in such a knee jerk state that you are unable to comprehend what is written.

 

There is no even. And there is no knee jerk reaction. Anyone saying that the Syrian uprising began completely peacefully is posting abject nonsense on this forum. That's got to be said. Full stop.

 

There is no such state so how can there be any citizens?

 

If there was no Islam would any group similar in actions as those of ISIS ever arisen? Could go back 1600 years and see if similar acting groups existed prior to 1600 years ago. Or we could just refer to regions in South and Central America where populations are controlled by gangs carrying out beheadings etc now.In the case of ISIS, religion is the excuse in order to subjugate the population. So, the answer to your question is yes, a group carrying out actions as ISIS do would be still created now.

 

ISIS reminds me of the red mafia. They are treating the women just like the red mafia does. Raping and turning women in to sex slaves. They are to skilled to be a rag tag band of misfits. They seam well versed in organized crime, and military tactics. You probably hit the nail on the head with the US creating isis. I personally believe it is a co-op between Israel, England and the US. The original crew all wear face coverings, probably so their mother's & wives back in the US don't recognize them. Hell one of them even spoke with a British accent. Plus they have western weaponry which they so conventionally stumbled upon. Not to mention they have been terrorizing the middle east countries destroying Islamic temples that have been around for centuries. Important structures to their religious beliefs. That just doesn't make sense. And nobody in the west has lifted a finger to try and stop them even though they could without permission from the UN. That's how I see it.

 

You did not actually answer my question, and you know it. You ca dodge around it and try to shift the blame as much as you wish, but this will not change the extremely obvious answer. It has become very clear when such groups as ISIS, Boko Haram, AQAP, the Taliban...etc....are the ONLY groups committing these atrocities and also have One(1) single thing in common where this mentality comes from.

There is absolutely no way to deny that Islam is the source.

 

Well when you guys get your alternator fixed in your tank maybe you can drive it over there and save them.

 

As always, I'm blinded by the sheer calligraphy of your post!

To the point, The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is fundamentally no different from any other Islamic country. It has government, economy, military, banking, borders, justice system and yes, tourism. Pretty soon, they'll have diplomatic missions across the world.

 

Indeed times were simpler then. If Muhammed did not like someone, out came scimitar. And yes, The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria fundamentally no different from any other Islamic country. Stricter adherence to Islamic laws, perhaps but that is up to them.

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What state, The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria? Of course there is, for governments, economy, banking, administration, justice system, tourism cannot function in empty space. Inconvenient, I know but facts are the facts.

Where have you been?

 

Why should we (as in the western powers), bother to risk our lives and spend our money to help people who want us to go away. They broke it this time...they can try to fix it.