More than 52,000 Canadians left the country for medical care in 2014

They fool themselves that health insurance costs a lot less. It's spread out over a cornucopia of different taxes. Countries that have universal health care typically have higher taxes on everything and a Value Added Tax which drives the cost of everything they purchase through the roof.

 

And the UHC devotees can't see outside of the blinders.

 

The cost doubled between 2008 and 2009.

 

So much for 'free HC'.

 

Wrong on all points.
I have lived in England with two kids, and I have benefited for 4 years front he UK system. . .although I could have used the private insurance from the American employer my husband worked for. Never had one small complain!

I live in Belgium, and I know the system. . . no, it is not completely free (it doesn't have to be!), but it is excellent and EVERYONE has access to healthcare. . .if you want more than (i.e, a private hospital room rather than a shared room), you can access additional private insurance for a relatively low cost (i.e., about $60 a month for a couple over the age of 65).

A health care system that does not give access to EVERYONE is by definition lacking and incomplete.

I have been lucky to ALWAYS have private insurance in the US, most often double insurance from both my husband and my own employers, and I have also worked with people who didn't have access to insurance or had to depend solely on medicaid. . .so I know first hand the good, and the bad, and the really ugly of the US system.

By the way, look at the results (life expectancy and infant mortality) and it will give you a little reality check!

 

This post is a good example of not really understanding the subject matter. Universal healthcare is by no means perfect but it is better than "no healthcare" or being bankrupted by getting sick.

 

FYI "uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics.

There are many State and County programs you can find on line as well.

Now when you take away all the people with access to these Health Care programs, how many actually have no access.

 

By "no healthcare" I meant no healthcare coverage. Not no access to any healthcare.

If there are all kinds of healthcare that folks get for free, then I suppose there is no need for anyone to have healthcare coverage.

 

Your personal experience is anecdotal and does not agree with the facts regarding the USA, Canada, and the UK.

Everyone in the US - citizen and illegal - has access to health care, and have for a long time. What you want is the typical pie-in-the-sky unlimited perfect free health care for everyone socialist foolishness.

Life expectancy and infant mortality differences have been well explained for many years. A large part of the difference in infant mortality is the basic definition of a "live birth", in the US if the baby moves or cries at birth its declared live even if it dies quickly and the MD knows it will die. In other countries (including European) the baby has to live a certain amount of time before being classified as a "live birth". A lot of it has to do with the wide diversity in the US, something that European nations have not had to address until recently, but now that they are having an influx of low skilled poorly educated people their systems are starting to fail.

And I am totally correct on Canada, its completely documented on www.cihi.ca, spend some time there and learn.

 

I disagree. Everyone's experience is "anecdotal," and it is worth a lot more than reading biased "reports" and picking and choosing what fits your need to "prove" a point.

At least, I have LIVED the different health care system. . .and in NO CASE have I ever met anyone (except the US residents who were uninsured and poor enough to not have anything to be taken away from them through law suits and credit scores) who expected to have completely free healthcare!

Greed in the healthcare system is the worse indicator of how poorly the system will work: Too many specialists for too few generalists, too little time with the actual physician, but too much with nurses and administrators, too many lobbyists, and too many marketing ploy and handouts to the doctors to push the most expensive medication to as many people as possible.

 

Each individual persons experience taken individually is anecdotal. When all those experiences are taken together as a group, that is objective data on the performance of the system.

What you describe is not due greed on the physicians part, its due to govt meddling.

 

Depends on your income. They HAD a matrix where you paid what you could afford.

 

The cost doubled between 2008 and 2009. Must be greed in the health Care System eh?

 

Not necessarily.
New technology, an aging population, and more access to heroic measures.

By the way. . .it seems that, even with that expense, Germany is still able to offer free university!

 

What do the poor blighters pay in taxes?

If you add in the Value Added Tax they must pay on every thing they buy, add to that higher over all taxes + gap insurance I doubt they are paying half. I wouldn't doubt they were paying more, just the cost is hidden and spread out over everything they buy. Try comparing the price of a car and a 19% sales tax on top of an extra 1/3 to the price of the car in VAT in Germany.

I configured a Legacy 2.5 to similar specs in Germany and the US and guess what I came up with:

The very same car (excluding sales tax) costs:

* 22.690 US Dollars (15.684 Euros) in the USA
* 40.331 US Dollars (27.815 Euros) in Germany

And you must add 19% sales tax to the German figure.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/2178012/

Now this was posted on a forum from a guy in Germany so I can't vouch for the validity of the numbers, but it sounds about right. So they pay as much if not more for their single payer Health Care, the price is simply buried in the cost of everything else with the VAT.

 

At the end of the day I guess that the American system, despite all evidence to the contrary, is much better than all the other systems because foreigners (YUCK!) are all too stoopid to realize that paying more money for worse results is the price of liberty..

 

Except you failed to mention the cost of living is 12%-34% lower so your story fails to add up. http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...t.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Germany

 

The auto in my example cost 44% more AND your example doesn't include taxes so it fails.

 

correction: they are uninsured because your party refuses to extend Medicaid - see links previously posted

 

Obama said he would cover everyone. He lied.

And your wrong about why 30,000,000 are left uninsured. 6.3 million are left uninsured in states that are not expanding. That number includes those who have employer based insurance, are illegals or make too much money leaving 24,000,000. Your turn...................

 

No true patriot has yet to answer why, if the American system is so magnificently wonderful, no other country on the planet uses it and instead have all made quite conscious decisions NOT to copy it.

 

No dancing basic facts I gave that you still ignore.


Per capita canada actually pays half of the USA .
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.PCAP

And in the USA a lot more die that could have been prevented if it had any decent system:

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ...entable-deaths
Click image for larger version.

Name: preventable-death-l.gif
Views: 1
Size: 55.1 KB
ID: 34263


So twice as expensive and lets a lot more people die. Gee and why are you attacking other systems? Because they are not perfect? "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

Simple facts, USA has an expensive and not that well performing system. Canada is about the same in quality but for about half the cost .

 

Can you show where he said this?

 

Wow! 52,000 Canadians leave their country to get health care services?

What a terrible indictment of the Canadian health care system!

Next year alone, an estimated 6 million Americans will travel abroad for surgery, according to a 2008 Deloitte study.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/27/india.medical.travel/index.html?eref=onion

 

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/obama-campaign-promise-tracker.htm

"I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premiums by up to $2,500 a year." - Hartford, Conn., June 23, 2007

Anything else?

- - - Updated - - -

Plenty of dancing. Refute the data and figures I posted.