Obama tells DiCaprio CLIMATE CHANGE contributed to Syrian civil war

Social unrest = Jihad is a stretch and it doesnt explain the amount of foreign *rebels* that flooded Syria that had nothing to do with a drought.

 

Someone told me that the 10 year lapse in hurricanes was because of climate change.

Then I asked, wasn't it climate change that was responsible for all the previous hurricanes and stormy weather that Florida and the south used to get?

<crickets>

 

Or Obama arming terrorists

 

There has not been a ten year lapse in hurricanes. Hurricanes still happen even if they don't happen to make landfall

 

There are a good number of publicly available analyses that draw the conclusion that climate change was a significant factor.

Assad had no answer for the agricultural failure due to drought. He resorted to violence.

The resulting conflict made it easy for a number of groups to take part. ISIS is one of them.



This is important, as getting the root causes wrong will lead to false solutions.

 

For Obama, it's like saying a curse word from a young child, who knows he's not allowed to say it.

 

Using that logic the answer would have been deeper relations with Assad and Syria to help the people through the drought.... Not try to kill him.

Ooops. Yep "False solutions" indeed!

 

OK know-it-all...

The U.S. coast is in an unprecedented hurricane drought &#8212; why this is terrifying

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ted-hurricane-drought-why-this-is-terrifying/

 

You wrapped up your argument on this topic with comments on what that farmer said:

And, I'm pointing out that your sarcastic wrap up doesn't address the issues clearly stated in analyses that have been posted.

 

The study suggests something.. Feels the need to mention a random farmer and never touches the subject of radical islam or Jihad.. Scroll down to see who funded it and perhaps can connect the dots.

 

We've been working on getting aid to the people, but rather than cooperate, Assad has been bombing them.

I don't know how you missed that we are trying to give aid. It's a major topic of discussion. It's what motivated the cease fire negotiations - producing a ceasefire resolution that included Russian agreement, but then was broken by Russia. We and the UN have had aid workers there risking their lives - and being killed in the pro-Assad bombing of Syrian civilians.

It's true that we aren't trying to kill Assad, even though he has been on the "regime change" list since 2001 when Bush put him there - for obvious reasons. The catch with the "kill Assad" direction is that with no concrete replacement direction the result would be chaos like we saw in Libya. Our direction is to put pressure on Assad to leave government in an orderly fashion.


Does that help?

 

Assad had promised reforms for more than 3 years. This situation isn't about Obama.

 

The problem started before ISIS was a force there.

Suggesting ISIS is what started this mess isn't born out by history.

The problem began with a tyrannical dictator. And, it boiled over under the pressure of a deadly multi-year drought.

 

Our "Aid" has been for the most part military in order and its been established that we want Assad out.. None of that has to do with a drought.

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I say radical Islam and Jihad and you limit it to ISIS and then suggest i said it.... This is why people see Progressives as arguing and not debating.. You guys spin so damn much to *win* i dont even think you realize you are doing it at times.

As far as Islamic countries go Assad was mild compared to most. Of course you want to ignore that. Assad won elections ( granted they are hardly free).. See Saudi Arabia our wonderful allies for a dictatorship.

 

But the alarmist forecast was more Katrina's and bigger ones. Followed by ten year lull. Funny how those projections continue to fail.

 

It has everything to do with drought.. Farmers abandoned their farms and moved to the cities where unemployment was already a serious problem..

Agriculture is down by 70%.. Oil production has been declining for over a decade and is now down 95%..

Polio is on the rise. Kids can't go to school. 1500 Syrian doctors are now practicing in Germany.

Syria has had military coups and counter coups many times since 1949 and sectarian violence has always been part of the narrative.

 

That would all make sense if you subtract the thousands of foreign "rebels" that flooded Syria. But like Obama you leave out Jihad.

 

10,000 Syrian army defected by early March 2011 before any foreign fighters arrived.

Assad's father slaughtered thousands. Assad is no different.

 

Our aid is limited by our ability to access Syria. That aid is necessary because of the drought and the affects of Assad's sectarian war against his own people.


I'm not debating. I'm pointing out that serious analysis has indicated that the disaster in Syria came from Assad and the drought. The terrorism you mention came as a result of the ensuing chaos, which is a common way for terrorist groups to enter. Remember that ISIS got its start in Iraq, where they took advantage of the sectarian warfare being waged by the government that we installed.

So, the issue of how this started in Syria does not require anyone to specify ISIS in particular. I wasn't limiting to ISIS or accusing you of doing so. The chaos was there before extremist terrorist groups were the issue, not the other way around.

 

No, Assad is NOT "mild compared to most". Let's remember that the entire ME only accounts for 17% of Islam. The vast majority of Muslims are somewhere else - NOT in the ME. So, pointing to some ME country as being characteristic is obvious nonsense.

Yes - Saudi Arabia has criminally horrible leadership. If you have a proposal on that problem, go for it.

But, Saudi Arabia isn't bombing its own people in order to stay in power.

 

The US COAST. Thanks for making my point

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/1828

Interesting part...

(Sec. 4) Declares as U.S. policy that: (1) Syria should bear responsibility for attacks committed by Hizballah and other terrorist groups with offices or other facilities in Syria, or bases in areas of Lebanon occupied by Syria;

So are we responsible for arming groups that magically over night became part of or allied with ISIS?

Also..

"the United States will not provide any assistance to Syria and will oppose multilateral assistance for Syria until Syria ends all support for terrorism, withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon, and halts the development and deployment of weapons of mass destruction and medium- and long-range surface-to-surface ballistic missiles."

And

(Sec. 5) Sets forth the following penalties against Syria until the President determines and certifies to Congress that Syria meets the requirements of this Act.

"Directs the President to prohibit the export to Syria of any item, including the issuance of an export license, on the United States Munitions List or Commerce Control List of dual-use items in the Export Administration Regulations.

Requires the President, at the same time, to impose two or more of the following sanctions: (1) prohibit the export to Syria of U.S. products (other than food and medicine); (2) prohibit U.S. businesses from investing or operating in Syria; (3) restrict Syrian diplomats in Washington, D.C., and at the United Nations in New York City, to travel only within a 25-mile radius of Washington, D.C., or the United Nations headquarters building, respectively; (4) prohibit aircraft of any air carrier owned or controlled by Syria to take off from, land in, or overfly the United States; (5) reduce U.S. diplomatic contacts with Syria (other than those required to protect U.S. interests or carry out the purposes of this Act); and (6) block transactions in any property in which the Government of Syria has any interest, by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

Authorizes the President to waive such sanctions for one or more six-month periods if the President determines that it is in the national security interest of the United States to do so and reports his reasons to Congress."

Interesting eh? Seems our policies are once again.. Ignored.

 

Saudi Arabia has exceptional leadership and a track record to match going back 80 years.

They have no ambitions in Syria.. simply wanting to stop the slaughter of Sunni Muslims there.

Did you remember that Assad had Rafic Hariri murdered?

 

Yet again you spin.. I did not say Some middle East countries i said " As far as Islamic countries go".... You dont realize you are doing it do you?

I notice you could not call the Saud Family "Dictators" though you felt "criminally horrible" was better.. Again.. Spin.

We need a consistent Foreign policy and we do not have one.

 

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy not a dictatorship and governs by consensus of the clerics, merchant class, tribal leaders, al Saud family and the technocrats.