Obama tells DiCaprio CLIMATE CHANGE contributed to Syrian civil war

And strangely enough they are all approved by...... The Saud family... Bravo Margot... Complete and utter power but they are not Dictators because they have *royal blood* how silly of me thanks for pointing that out /Facepalm..

Assads father was who again?

 

LOL...great point...

 

The United States did not destabilize Syria. The country has been on the brink of a simmering civil war ever since Havez Assad died.

 

So why are we going in there and arming people? Do you think that's helping them? We know the outcome of this. We're going to pull out with our tail between our legs. There's no win for us, and no win for them. We (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up bad going in there.

 

Of course it does. The politics of that part of the Middle East is very much the politics of water. Why did ISIS seize the Mosul dam, after all (not that any of the right wing types on this thread even knew that they did, or could find Syria on a map).

 

This has NOTHING to do with royal blood.. Its has to do with years and years of education, training and experience in all facets of government service.

I invite you to learn something about Saudi Arabia and scrutinize their track record under a microscope.

 

The climate change bigot Gov. Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown has beat Obama to it, at least in California.

 

Low information. .. and really they can't be bothered.. They don't want to know.. they just enjoy being contrary.

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California farmers are accustomed to lots of cheap water... and have NO incentive to utilize more efficient irrigation techniques.

 

And yet Bashar was calling for Reforms and Amnesty way back in 2011.

 

California is not Syria. Anthropologists think that the drought in Mesoamerica imploded the Mayan Empire, and there were also civil wars there, as it imploded.

California is also different from the Mayan Empire. So, a bit of context is generally always needed, or people will generalize and arrive as false conclusions.

My advantage here is I got a degree in Anthropology, and then one in Banking and Finance too. The first degree taught me about context. The last one helped to provide my living.

 

Aka i am not browbeaten by propaganda...

 

You claimed Assad is representative, and he most certainly is not.

And, I could call Saudi leadership all sorts of things - moaning because I didn't seems a little stupid to me.

At the outset here, you were proposing false reasons for the chaos in Syria, making any valid assessment of our foreign policy well out of reach. I'm here to help you understand what happened in Syria.

Valid assessment of our foreign policy wrt Syria can't come before that.

 

Perhaps not.. You just don't know anything about Saudi Arabia.

 

I have a hard time defending Saudi Arabia.

But, I hope I've made it clear that Assad is far and away worse.

 

I did not claim Assad was representative i said as far as Islamic countries go he is mild. Nothing more nothing less... Again claiming i said something i did not.. That is three times i would say that is a pattern of your attempts at debate.

So Jihad is a false reason for the chaos in Syria... Since.. Well you say so.. And anything that suggests anything different is not a "valid assessment" according to you.. Do you see the issue with this.. You completely ignore a major issue in Syria today and yet suggest mentioning it isnt "valid"... You are not debating you are arguing and baiting... We are done.

 

Ah yes since i dont buy into the propaganda you slight me... Nice.

 

How long did you stare at that college degree in anthropology before you realized you couldn't make a good living with that piece of paper ?

I did the same thing when I earned my BA in history and gave it some thought and went back to school to get my BS in engineering.

 

Hizballah is Shi'a.

They have tended to defend the Assad government, are more than willing to attack ISIS, and are aligned with various other groups willing to attack ISIS.

I'm not sure what you are claiming here, but Hezbollah is certainly not aligned with ISIS.

 

No, now you are misquoting me.

I'm saying ISIS came to Syria after there was chaos in Syria.

The issues today absolutely DO involve ISIS.

BUT, read the thread title. The issue for this thread has to do with how it started.

And, ISIS didn't start it. They took advantage of the chaos of the war Assad was waging against Syrian civilians.

 

What do you think is being ignored?

If you can, please cite something to demonstrate your conclusion on this.

 

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You claimed Assad is "mild".

I'm pointing out that he isn't even middle of the road.

 

"Mild" as far as other Islamic countries. Yes.. You left that part out and i know damn well why... Come back when you are actually interested in debate and not spinning what people say.

 

Once again, the drought was a cause - in fact, a very important cause. The thread title is about cause, not current state.

Your arguments have included a group that is pro Assad and groups that are anti Assad. You included Hezbollah which some see as having a political and a military wing which should be considered separately with at least one wing not being considered terrorist - with most of our Arab friends NOT considering them terrorist. You mention "Jihad" which is a general term that can't be used much in Syria, because there are radicals everywhere - it's a multi-ring circus of war. And, the advent of this situation didn't involve anything we usually call Jihad. You want to use Islam, but the reasons for the war don't have anything to do with the basics of Islam - Assad wants to stay in power and uses sectarian alliances while bombing members of the 80% of his population that aren't of his sect - but who oppose Assad regardless of any sectarian issue. That is, bringing Islam into this really does NOT clarify much of anything at all.


Look, I'm trying to do the best I can with your comments by trying to keep to the basics of the thread topic without getting wrapped up in stuff that is irrelevant to the title of the thread. I'm absolutely cutting out spin.


What I don't like in a discussion is when someone brings in stuff that is irrelevant and then insists on derailing the discussion to some other topic.

The title of this thread is a HIGHLY important issue, as it is not only key to understanding Syria but also to understanding the national security issues of climate change.

 

Assad may be "mild" but his brother is a savage and controls the military and the police.. His uncles are all hardliners. They will kill Bashar if he steps down.3

 

Are you sure climate change wouldnt kill assad if he steps down?