Pakistani men can beat wives 'lightly,' Islamic council says

Do keep in mind that to be better than someone as great as even Jesus that you would have to "love your neighbor", and practice the Golden Rule, etc. But I bet you can do that. By the way, I'm not putting Jesus/Mohammad/Christians/Muslims down, as such, just pointing out how great you can be.

 

Well, I don't know about all that, and I am pretty skeptical in the existence of a god to begin with. To me, it just seems to be out of the realm of possibilities. I believe that men are responsible for beliefs in gods. What makes the Christian god any more likely than the Greek gods after all? I'm pretty sure that the Greek people believed in their gods too. Now, their gods have been relegated to myth status.

I don't know that I "love" people. I find them very annoying actually, for the most part. Lol.

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Lol. I don't have much patience, especially with humans. That is one of my worst flaws I think. I love animals and children though. They are MUCH more tolerable, IMO.

 

Let's test your apparent skepticism:

1. What Jesus did:
a. Allegedly said "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)
b. In Matthew 19:29 he urged people to leave their family/children.

2. What would ChrisL do?:
a. Would you teach people to hate their family as a requirement to be a disciple (like Jesus did), or that they needed to LOVE their family to be a disciple?
b. Would you urge people to leave their family/children, or urge them to stay with and take care of and love their family/children?

Let us know, and if your reply is more compassionate, more loving, than the all-loving Jesus, then WWCLD (What Would Chris L Do?) is more relevant than WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?).

 

I thought it was a sin to disobey your parents in the bible? Are you sure you are getting that right? I don't really feel comfortable being compared with Jesus in any case. Lol.

Of course not. You only have ONE family Then again, some people don't have very great families and might be abused or something, so there are allowances to be made for those situations. In most normal cases, people should take care of and be there for their family members, IMO.

 

How much do you love them?
If you love innocent animals and innocent children so much that if you were in Jesus/god's position that you would have worked to come up with a better solution than to kill 99.99999999% of all innocent animals and innocent children in the "flood", then you love them so much that I can safely say that on this important moral issue (genocide) that you are more loving/compassionate than even Jesus/god. Most Christians generally love this Jesus/god more than they love anyone else, so you might, in a sense, be more loving than most Christians are, it can be argued. If you care about those animals/children so much that you would have worked to find a better solution than to kill 99.99999999% of them.
Would you have killed them, ChrisL, like Jesus/god did?

 

So at least on this one important moral issue you appear to be more loving towards family members than what Jesus taught, since he taught to leave them. You appear to have moved, morally, to a higher level than even someone as great as Jesus (the most loved person in the history of the known universe.) I'm impressed. Some day you'll believe in yourself as much as I believe in you.

 

Well, you see, I don't believe in those things. Those are only fables to me. I don't really believe in a god, so if there was a "great flood," then I believe it was a completely natural occurrence, and men who didn't understand and wanted an explanation made up these stories. Who would believe that you could fit two of each animal on a boat, feed them and care for them all??? Where would they go to the bathroom, how would they graze or get exercise. Yeesh. You would have to be pretty ignorant to believe THAT, IMO.

 

You can always check out the verses that I quoted at: http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-29.htm
I think you'll see that I got it right.

But the Bible does have about 492 contradictions in it, so you are not wrong if you find it confusing - it's very understandable. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

How good of a parent are you?.....let me ask you this question: have you taught your children to be intellectually consistent? That's vital. Say they wrote a book, would they likely have 492 (or more) contradictions in it, or have you taught them that intellectual consistency is important, and they'd not have 492 contradictions in it? If it's the latter, then you are an awesome parent in relation to the Bible and it's authors/founders. If so, your children should look to you for guidance, at least as they'd look to the prophets for guidance.

Again, my gut feeling is that you've moved beyond those even as great as Jesus/Mohammad/Moses/god/Allah in many many important ways....but I'm not 100% sure that you realize that yet.

 

Yes, and all the lions, tigers, cheetahs, leopards, etc. all said to themselves "nope, I'm not going to eat a single tasty gazelle this entire cruise, because I'm not going to have the extinction of an entire species on my conscience for the rest of my life!"....right!!

Yes, Jesus believed in the flood/Adam/Eve, etc., so you could tell your child the ways that they could think more intellectually consistently (just like you think above about the feeding, etc.) than even someone as great as Jesus, and then every time in their life they hear someone say how great Jesus was they will realize that they themselves have risen to a higher level than even Jesus (the #1 role model of all time@) Just think what that will do to their self-esteem - showing them they are smarter than the #1 role model of all time - probably raise their self-esteem more than almost anything else a parent could do!

 

That's because being brought up in a Christian-majority society, many have, from a young impressionable age, been taught by society that they are innately "sinners", and that Jesus is far far above them, and that Jesus says that they are "evil" or "wicked" (in the verse right before the Golden Rule.)
You are of course not a "sinner" (Darwin showed us that evolution is true, so Adam/Eve is false, and therefore no "original sin", of course).
Also, you don't sound "evil" or "wicked" - you sound like a decent person and a great parent!
Also, if you don't believe in god, then the divine Jesus is just a myth/legend, so don't feel bad being compared to just a myth/legend.
Also, I've shown you how you appear to have risen above even someone as great as Jesus in a number of ways on this one thread, so maybe you'll warm to the idea that you might be better in many ways than even someone as great as Jesus ("the best person of all time", some consider.)
In a number of ways I myself think you've risen even above the person that most consider to be the best person of all time (Jesus), and I'd like to think I'm a pretty level-headed, logical person.


Matthew 7:11:
NET Bible: "If you then, although you are evil....."
Darby Bible Translation: "If therefore ye, being wicked,...."

 

I'm obsessed with Greek myth, and I'm misanthropic and cynical to a fault: will you marry me?

And I've just read your post 41 viz. 'Not many things disturb me more than pedophiles' . . . I think we're made for one another! If I caught one violating a child I'd kill him and worry about the consequences afterwards.

 

Lol. Funny! Misanthropic and you want to be married? I'm not really misanthropic, I just have little patience with some personality types. Some people are cool though!

 

Agree about the pedophiles. There is not much worse than that, IMO.

 

Oh well, my search goes on! Actually the last thing I want to do is to get married because other than getting extremely lucky (think 'soul mate') I think men and women are incompatible.

 

Incompatible? Noooo. Lol!

Well then what is it you are searching for?

 

I'll bet you're fun! I'm not searching for anything, I was joking.

 

Thanks! I like to think so. Just so long as you don't get on my baaaad side!

 

I'd just charm my way out of it, and you'd be putty* in my hands.

* If you don't know what it is over there, delete 'putty' and insert 'play-dough'.

 

someday the rest of the world will catch up with the usa

 

Hmm, I wonder how many 'Christians' here were beaten as children (by bigger, stronger adults), but claim it 'never did me no harm'?

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Yeah, your awesome gun crime statistics are a fine example for the rest of us to follow. So modern, so advanced, so civilized...

 

Pakistan protected Bin Laden. We need to attack it.

 

This law won't prevent harm to any woman any more than any law can prevent them from being
murdered, raped or anything else you can think of.

Exactly what have I said that's an anti muslim hate rant? I mean besides nothing. I see no
purpose in hate.

 

What are you talking about? This doesn't make sense.

 

I think I'm beginning to understand why you are anti-rights for honest law-abiding citizens.

 

I sometimes mention the phenomenon of regional differentiations in rationale and psyche, and quote as examples Africans' belief in witchdoctors, and the Middle Eastern obsession with firearms and blood-letting; but I always thought our American cousins were more like us (Europeans?). Recalling some of my exchanges on PF, specifically the mindless hatred of Russia/Putin, and now this belief in the right to arms (although I reluctantly admit a certain logic and justification for that belief), I'm convinced that central America has a regional mind-set all its own.