'Well, where are all the English people?'

What definition?

 

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We're not welcome, unless we bring money, stay temporarily, and keep a low profile.

 

This isn't bad;

 

Okay, through the eyes of some indifferent academic.

 

Let's be having your own definition then.

 

That they might have more in common through the definition of class does not mean that they embrace each other more so than they might someone of their own culture.

 

There are no absolutes, that's true.

 

Indeed, and exceptions are not the rule.

Here is an interesting article on this specific ideal:

http://advancethestruggle.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/creating-racial-unity-in-the-class-struggle/

 

Multi quote not working:

Re : "Where is your evidence that governments are "forcing" cultures to exist together?"

This is a desperately weak argument. To attempt to assert that saturating people`s living environment with massive numbers of people of incompatible cultures isn`t forcing them to live together, slides above the fantasy zone, and into the next catergory.

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Re : "You have not presented any evidence that it's divisive either. Actually culture is best characterized in terms of class not race. The vast majority of the world's ethnically diverse populations have more in common in terms of their shared class than they do in terms of their ethnicity. In other words, for example, the vast majority of working class Brits, irrespective of their ethnic background, have more in common than they do with the upper class minority who rule over them.

Not divisive? Not even worth comment. This problem needn`t be explained to most people. WOFTAM

 

No answer for that one either, I see.

 

Just because there have been high unemployment in the past, when apparently as you say there was no immigration, doesn't refute my claims that 20,000 plus immigrants a year entering Britain with no jobs, with their families, and those who wish to start families will inevitably push the population up in the UK dramatically, thus providing more people looking for work and less work to go around for the already jobless.

In the 1950's and 1960's immigrants were brought in specifically to fill jobs that otherwise would have been filled by a multitude of young British men but whom happened to have been drawn into military service or died in the war.
Our government could have found alternative measures, but clearly immigration was their choice back then.

 

Throughout the Blair years, multiculturalism has always been promoted through the BBC more than any other medium, how all our cultures are great and how they should mingle and blah blah....

Now we have communities in large English cities with, mini Jamaica, mini China, mini Pakistan, seriously this is not multiculturalism, it's cultural segregation, and it's done voluntarily by the communities involved. They don't want to mix into the general British population, (and most of the time I don't blame them, a lot of poor British families end up becoming yobbish, rude, bitter and violent thanks to poverty and our capitalist society, lack of real cultural identity), but our government can't tow the multiculturalism line to cover it's flawed policies on immigration control, when it's clearly not working.

A straw man? I never once indicated ethnicity when saying the British poor should be looked after first. I'm simply saying further immigration needs to stop. We have every kind of Brit, and as much as I've not supported immigration, it doesn't make me a racist. I have had friends of different ethnicities, I've never been a fan of racist language, I've never supported friends showing racial views and using racist language and in-fact have protested against such behaviour, and told them to their faces I don't agree.

 

That's a matter of OPINION - NOT A FACT.

Lets' see whether a few verified facts can counter irrational prejudice - Facts made simple for easy understanding .


see - Timeline: Immigration to Britain and more


http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/multiculture.html



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Thought so, everyone is : "screwed up " except you - right ?

 

What's your point? London is one of the top cities in the world for billionaires. Unfortunately most of them aren't English. Out of the top 10 richest people in England only 3 of them are from England. This is common knowledge. Even Rupert Murdoch's left wing Wall Street Journal did an article on it.

What are you suggesting? You want all the foreign scum to be deported from London but you want their billions to be left behind so London remains a "great city"?

That's your plan?

Right wing racist hate is so mindless.

 

aussiefree2ride's comment is truly one of the most incredible things I've read in quite some time. They should rewrite the Oxford English Dictionary and post his user name and comment as the definition for both irony and hypocrisy. If I die in my sleep tonight I can honestly say that I regret nothing. I have truly seen it all now.

 

The inaction says it all.
They don't care, there is no need to care. Life may be better, it may be worse, they get on with it. Why do you care?

The brits are a vast mixture of all sorts from the past.. why would that trend not continue in the future too?


In times when we try to globalize in most areas of life, why should there be any difference here. A major city always draws many many different cultures and backgrounds; You can take a major city anywhere in the world and see the same effects IMO.

 

FAWLTY Towers legend John Cleese has come under fire after declaring: "London is no longer an English city."


John Cleese is a comedian - with more than enough marital problems than to get involved in London's racial social mix.
But its an old joke amongst those of us who dont live in major cities.

We've never been comfortable with the notion of "racial purity" .

As for being "English " ? hek its often had to tell which of us arent mixed - Irish-Scottish-Welsh -Scandanavian- German-Dutch , somewhere in our family trees.

London's present Mayor Boris Johnson,is a great-grandson of Ali Kemal Bey, a liberal Turkish journalist, describs himself as a "one-man melting pot" — with a combination of Muslims, Jews and Christians comprising his great-grandparentage.[11] His father's maternal grandmother, Marie Louise de Pfeffel, was a descendant of Prince Paul of Württemberg through his relationship with a German actress. Through Prince Paul, Johnson is a descendant of King George II, and through George's great-great-great grandfather James I/VI, a descendant of all of the previous British royal houses. Johnson is an 8th cousin of David Cameron, our present Prime minister , who's not English either.

Johnson was born in New York City,] but his family returned to Britain soon afterward,
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Dont ask about my family tree, which I'm certain does not include any aristocrats + others of ill-repute.


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Politico WIKI & Huffpo & DU ?

 

Yep, it's like we have to spell it out to him.

 

Again opinions like that are not facts.

 

/Coughs...Hmm..But I thought we were a multicultural society and you were opposed to multiculturalism?...Lol.

 

Like many countries and nations in the world. Things change, and there have been more change globaly in the last 10 years than in the past 60 years when it comes to world change.

As far as English people, they are no longer the bad teeth, red nose, beer drinking, poor quality food, snobby intelects they once were. Like the rest of the world, they too have also changed in culture and physical appearance since the early 1900s. As a result, they are becomming the multi-cultural mecca that they have tried to aviod for the past 2000 years. With globalization and the need for the worlds best and brightest, they too must recruit from other countries around the world to sustain their market capitalization in the EU. Without that competitive edge, they will fall to other emerging countries that will welcome the best and the brightest from all over the world.

Plus they have Rupert Murdock to help them. LOL.

 

And there was me thinking that this "little Britain, anti-Johnny Foreigner" mentality had gone out fashion with Alf Garnett? The notion that the draw bridge be put up and a kind of fortress UK be applied, is so ludicrous I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Are you seriously suggesting that as a member of the EU, this country in the 21st century withdraws its membership forthwith and adopts an isolationist socioeconomic policy?....Lol. The BNP and and UKIP are looking to spruce up their membership, give them a call.

 

All this doesn't refute my assertion that there is no causational link between immigration and unemployment. Your argument which attempts to connect A with an unrelated B is a fallacious one. If there are 20,000 unemployed carpenters in the UK it doesn't mean that 20,000 immigrants will necessarily take the jobs off British carpenters because these immigrants have a mixed skill set that do not necessarily comprise carpentary skills. You are using the tired old arguments of the people like the BNP which are in reality a canard.