Who's the real terrorist?

Who's the real terrorist?


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Who started the First World War? Muslims?
Who started the Second World War? Muslims?
Who Killed about 20 million Aborigines in Australia? Muslims?
Who threw nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Muslims?
Who Killed more than 100 million Native American Indians in North America? Muslims?
Who killed more than 50 million Native American Indians in South America? Muslims?
Who took about 180 million African people as slaves and killed 88% of them and threw them in Atlantic Ocean? Muslims?


No they weren't Muslims !!!


First of all, you have to define terrorism properly. If a non Muslim do something bad, it is crime. But if a Muslim commit same he is terrorist. So first remove this double standard then come to the point.

 

Would you like a list of the deeds of the Ottoman Empire? The long list of both Christain and Muslim populations brutally conquered and repressed for 6 centuries by your fellow Muslims? No one in history has clean hands or a monopoly on truth.

You are welcome to voice your resentment of your current circumstance and may well find a sympathetic ear to your real concerns. If you took the trouble to seek out this forum then you know there are many different viewpoints as well as definitions here, including that of terrorism. Muslims or Arabs in the US are not oppressed or discriminated against by the vast majority of people nor are they looked upon as monolithic groups.

The purpose of forum debate is to exchange views and understand each other, (although it is often hard to tell). Spend some time getting to know the group and we can start to understand each other rather than demonize each other.

 

killed100 million natives in north America?? lol
muslims took many slaves in Africa. and Christian slaves from europe

 

The double standard will be removed, when the terrorism is removed from the Koran. Interested ?​

 

1. The people who were attacked by the Japs at Pearl Harbor.

2. American Indians killed more than 100 million Native American Indians in North America, both before and after any White person ever set foot in North America.

3. Yeah, Muslims. Muslims killed 120 million Africans and carried on the slave trade. In fact slavery of black Africans in sub-Sahara Africa by Muslims from North Africa and the Arabian peninsula, was so ingrained in the Islamic world, that the word "black" in Arabic, also means slave (abed or abeed)

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/TS3EDPC9FFE65DD79

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abeed

Africa
Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
120 million Africans

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/tears-of-jihad/

MUSLIMS are the real terrorists.​

 

Who attacked the US on 9-11?





BTW, your buddies in Turkey are Zionist's!

 

There were never 20 million aborigines when Europeans settled Australia,

 

I define terrorism as using deliberate acts of violence against civilians to advance a campaign for political or social change. Though I cannot with great confidence speak for other parts of the world on this matter, in the borders of my country most terrorist attacks are committed by people who are not of Muslim faith. There should be no double standards in how the label is applied, as Abo Ayman suggests.

 

your history is worse than flawed. It would be hard to kill 100 million Native American Indians in North America when there were only 4 1/2 million when the whites came here. On the other hand let's take a look at what your beloved religion of peace has been doing just last year;

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2012.htm

Nowe let's see if you will want to try and justify their actions. And while you are about it, try justifing these;

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/ChristianAttacks.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm

I would say the world has every right to call your beloved Muslims terrorist.​

 

Thanks a lot for this nice participation .
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I don't know a lot about your history
I just found these numbers on the internet, so pardon me if it wasn't accurate and focus on the main idea .

About slavery in Islam

First, slavery was known before the coming of Islam. it was one of the most important elements of Arabic economic .

Second, Islam tried to end slavery step by step , in order that Arabic economic won't be destroyed .

The texts of Islam took a strong stance against this. It says in a hadeeth qudsi: “Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).

Third, Islam blocked most of the ways of enslaving people except the war, and created many new ways and laws in order to liberate slaves .

One of the means of liberating slaves is allocating a portion of zakaah funds to freeing slaves; the expiation for accidental killing, zihaar (a jaahili form of divorce that is forbidden), breaking vows and having intercourse during the day in Ramadaan, is to free a slave. In addition to that, Muslims are also encouraged in general terms to free slaves for the sake of Allaah.

Forth, Islam forbidden treating slaves in a bad way .

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “They are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your authority, so if Allaah has put a person’s brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6050).

t was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard Abu’l-Qaasim (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever accuses his slave when he is innocent of what he says will be flogged on the Day of Resurrection, unless he is as he said.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (685.

and talking in that topic is too long, but it's not the point of discussion, so for more information about it, you can visit
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/94840

Can you tell me where's the terrorism in Qur'an ?

you should ask your government or ask CIA .

Thanks for your understanding .
In fact, there's too many hard question should be asked .
Why when the crime done by a gang or individuals, it described as terrorism, while when it done by a state it described as a mistake ?
Why killing innocent by suicide attacks is terrorism while killing them by Tomahawk rockets is just a mistake ?

 

Is it a joke ?

" abed عبد " just mean " slave "
" black " means " asawd أسود "

Islam says that there's no difference between people either they're white or black, because all of them are the sons of Adam .

Allah says in holly Qur'an "

 

Of course. Anyone who has read the Koran can tell you. It is all through the whole vile book of hate. Here's just a few examples :

"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Koran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177)

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." (Koran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186)

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Koran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 19

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." (Koran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206)

"Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land." (Koran 5:33, "The Table," Dawood, p. 112)

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." (Koran 47:4, "Muhammad," Dawood, p. 506)

"Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy..." (Koran 8:59-60, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 183)

"God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran...." (Koran 9:111, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 203)

Quotes from the Hadiths or Records of Mohammed's Deeds and Words

"The Prophet...said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us." (Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2635)

"...the Apostle of Allah [said]: He who goes forth in Allah's path and dies or is killed is a martyr...and will go to Paradise." (Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2493)

"The Prophet...said: Our Lord Most High is pleased with a man who fights in the path of Allah..."
(Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2530)

"The Apostle of Allah...said: ...If anyone sincerely asks Allah for being killed and then dies or is killed, there will be a reward of a martyr for him." (Sunan Abu Dawud 14.2535)

"Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." (Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220)

 

FALSE! Abed (or abeed) means BOTH slave and black, and is a term used in many Islamic countries, and I gave the source evidence to prove it. Now you are proving you are disingenuous.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/TS3EDPC9FFE65DD79

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abeed

 

We need a museum or something for OPs like this.

 

The people who fly planes into buildings and set off car bombs at noon in crowded commercial centers are the real terrorists.

 

If you act to create terror..you are a terrorist.

If your actions create terror, you are a terrorist.

Violence is usually a terrorist act.




Every nation is terrorist to some extent.

 

Come on Abo, cat got your tongue;

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...ianAttacks.htm

Your beloved Muslim terrorist have been murdering people on a whole sale scale for the last 45 years. And you expect the world to sit on it's hand and say and do nothing??? I'll make you a deal, have your Muslim buddies take down another building here and we will take down another Muslim government. Sound good??? Here's a list of Muslim attacks in the U.S. since 1972;

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
3,096 killed by Muslims in America in 67 terror attacks


And you want to call the U.S. terrorist??? Hey, Abo, who and what was Bobby Kennedy killed by;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy


And shall we step outside the U.S. and go on a world wide hunt for Muslim attacks??
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993321/posts


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-the-year-2012-at-hands-of-islamic-extremism/
More Than 11,000 Died in the Year 2012 at Hands of Islamic Extremism, Says Report


http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/guess-how-many-islamic-terror-attacks-since-911/
As of today, the total was 20,022. The 20,000th came a few days ago when a Jewish woman was cut in pieces in Iran by religious radicals “intent on expanding a mosque.”

So tell us, Abo, who are the real terrorist in the world??? Answer -- Muslim!!!!!!

Hey, Abo, did you ever stop and think that Japan attacked America first??? And we ended the war with the Atomic bombs??? Japan attacked America just like your beloved Muslims attacked America on 9-11. Japan fell for the first time in history for there attacks and we took out 2 Muslim governments for 9-11. Personally, I would also have taken out Saudi Arabia also if I had of had anything to say about it considering 15 of the 19 terrorist were Saudis and the Royal family helped finance the attackers. And if Iran keeps beating the war drums I'd let Israel take her out as well.

 

In the absence of our Palestinian friend, let me be the first to call B%^* S#%><.

A first, critical point is the Koran is an Arabic holy book of sonnets. Your quotes were in English prose which is very far from the intent or a literal translation of what it says. I search for a couple of months among dozens of poor translations until I finally found an annotated edition that took over three times as long to explain each poem as it did to write it. Thinking you know the literal translation of the Koran is like thinking you know the original text of the Bible because you read the King James Version.

Second if you want to play tit for tat I'll pull up 2 outrageous direct quotes from the Bible for every 1 of your quotes from the Koran.

 

One of the most laughable, common, talking points of Islamapologists is to pretend that non Arabic-speaking people can't understand the Koran. I guess they never stopped to think that millions of people around the world, for whom Arabic is their native tongue (ex. Brigitte Gabriel, president of Act for America), have for centuries, observed and reported that the Koran says exactly the same thing that all its non-Arabic speaking critics say about it. This is perhaps the weakest of all the Islamapologist talking points I've seen in this forum. Absurd to the point of pathetic.

The various translations of the Koran (I've read 18 of them) are as accurate as any book ever written. Islamapology and invalidation taqiyya are wedded.

Invalidation is hard-wired into Islampaologists.

 

As for what you define to be outrageous, I'm not sure, but if you think (just for starters) you can pull up something in the Christian Bible (The NEW Testament) that advocates wife-beating, as Koran 4:34 does, let's hear it. If you think you can do likewise for Pedophilia (Koran 65:4), let's hear it. Or for Slavery (Koran 33:50), let's hear it. Or for Rape (Koran 2:223, 4:24), let's hear it.