Who's the real terrorist?

I do appreciate you showing your true colors for all the world see. A classic example of better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought the fool than open it and prove the matter.

Just for our foreign members benefit, there is NO law or sanction on Islam, or any other religion for that matter in US law. The ranting of protectionist is simply one more of his misrepresentations. There are millions of Muslims, both citizens and immigrants, that live in peace with their neighbors in cities all over the country. They are free to worship as they wish in their Mosques and live their lives as they see fit.

There are extremists of all religions. In the US, even the extremist has the right to state his opinion. The Government is neutral on religious matters, much to the distress of the fanatics, and all stand equal in the eyes of the law. There are no such thing as blasphemy laws, those matters left to each religion. Physical action beyond protest and voicing of one's views in public is not tolerated from any religion and none can impose his will on another. In a country as large and mixed as ours, we must accept the religious views of all if we are to preserve the right to worship for each of us.

 

This post is irrelevant to the subject of Islam which is NOT A RELIGION. Furthermore, Islam is already banned by the US Constitution (Article 6, Section 2 - the Supremacy Clause), it just so happens that this ban is not being enforced (like many laws on the books don't get enforced =ex. immigration laws). Islam should be stopped cold and its mosques shut down by virtue of US Code 2384 (Seditious Conspiracy) as well.

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/27211

http://newenglishreview.org/Rebecca_Bynum/Why_Islam_is_Not_a_Religion/

http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2010/07/28/islam-not-a-religion/

http://avideditor.wordpress.com/200...ion-nor-is-it-a-cult-it-is-a-complete-system/

http://www.amazon.com/Allah-Dead-Why.../dp/0578073900

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XQYteCu6E

http://thepatriotfactor.blogspot.com/p/islkam-is-not-religion.html

http://jdlcanada.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/in-italy-islam-is-not-a-religion-2/

http://rt.com/news/geert-wilders-koran-islam/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdozXhh_5h0

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.ch/2011/05/religion-of-rape.html

http://zionstrumpet.com/2012/07/28/...-a-religion-it-is-an-evil-political-ideology/

And that will be the day when anything you say could ever make me look foolish. You've been making a fool out of YOURself ever since you entered this thread. My true colors have been shown for years in this forum, and they will be shown for more years to come.

 

Ok, you force me to do it. Just remember I warned you.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)


One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

It is such a shame that the Bible is a book of war, rape, murder, and slavery. Interesting though that you would condemn a Muslim poem based largely on the same text you claim to worship as the True Word of God.

All of these quotes are just as irrelevant to me as those you clipped from the Koran. None of you have a claim on Truth, only your personal opinion of it. There are hypocrites on all sides but we do not treat hypocrisy as a crime in this country. Fundamentalists and extremists cannot drag us into a religious war unless we go willingly.

 

Depends on the circumstances.

 

Or else what?

What are you actually going to do about this obviously deeply felt issue considering your views are not going to be acted upon by any aspect of mainstream society and nor are you in any visible way personally persuasive?

 

So a law and word written for a people that was already doing these things and with such things being done around them daily is the standard by which you would judge the Bible? And then use the eyse of a modern Westerner speaking out of ignorance to judge that Word, Flamer?

 

My views have been acted upon by many aspects of mainstream society, for yers now, including numerous state governments which have passed laws against Sharia law. Many other victories for the American people over the Muslim Brotherhood have also been achieved, such as the convictions of 5 Muslim Brotherhood leaders of the Holy Land Foundation, imprisoning them for the rest of their lives. Likewise, was the imprisonment Of Aburahman Alamoudi (Mr. Whiter House) who was a frequent visitor at the White House of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, until the govt finally caught on to his stealth jihad, and he went from the White House to the Big House.

Many more examples are available to read about, if one wishes to go from ignorant to informed.


1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

8. Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

For an update of what is being done now to combat both violent and stealth jihad (AKA Islamization) see >> http://www.actforamerica.org/

 

You are getting NOWHERE trying to equate lslam with Christianity. Nobody in this country takes a notion like that seriously. It is idiocy, and a laughingstock, and you dig yourself a deeper and deeper hole every time you try to use it, and it just becomes another victory for us protectionists. Even if these passages you cite were from the New Testament (Christian Bible), instead of the Old Testament (standard Islamapologist tactic), it still wouldn't excuse Islam from pushing immoral and ILLEGAL (under US laws) practices. You waste a lot of post space, saying NOTHING meaningful. Only one solution exists >> REFORM the Koran. Or else stay out of the USA, or else go to prison in the USA, like where so many jihadists are rotting their lives away right now. (see Post # 107)

 

That was using past technology. This is the new centruy. The US/NATO does not usually employ mines---but if they do, they now have auto self-destruct and other safety mechanisms.

However, based on race and ethnicity and culture alone (Liberal/Bigot/Hypocrites always do this) the Taliban and other Arab Islamics get a free pass for planting IED's and other booby traps that so often kill children and other innocent non-combatants. If the Taliban and other terrorists wanted more humanitarian mines, they could ask China or North Korea to make them for them, or they could demand their insurgants stop using unsafe IED's and other devices.

I wonder why none of the champions of human rights from the "social justice camp" have not demanded that the Taliban and other Islamic terror groups not sign the Geneva Convention?

 

Yeah.

DU and WP this century. Much more effective at creating terror and long lasting horror.

The rest of your post is too ridiculous and immature to give a fk about.

 

I would like to explain one verse of Koran one at a time

koran 8:12 is in chapter Al anfal. The verse cannot be interpreted by one sentence. You have to read verse Verse 8:9

"When you sought aid from your Lord, so he answered: I will assist you with a thousand of the angels following one another"

Koran 8:12 in full says that

" when your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

koran 8:13
"This is because they acted adversely to Allah and his Apostle; and whoever acts adversely To Allah and His Apostle-- then surely Allah is severe in requitting (evil)


The verse that was highlited by protectionist was an instruction during a war given to angels. The angels were to strike heads of disbelievers and to strike off every fingertip of everyone of them.

The war known as Albadr. 300 Muslim soldiers fought against 1000 enemies. The Muslim won the war.


I want to go to bed now. It is 11:20 pm here

 

I just wanted to object to the whole premise of the OP. Just because others have committed wrongs, that doesn't mean you can't condemn the clear wrongs carried out by a particular group (or in this case, a particular faction of a particular religion). To use a different example, just because an ancestor of mine owned slaves doesn't mean that a Sudani who owns slaves should not be condemned and his slaves taken away from him.

 

Dear Friend,
I´d really like to use all that energie,the efforts and you motiviation to found the TRUTH.
Sorry for what´s now coming but it has to be: you´re talking Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they tell you, they want you to believe. Did you EVER questioned your ressources? Or does it really has to be true cuz it was on the internet? Honestly, try to find the truth with your OWN mind, not with theirs. Think for yourself, don't let them do it for you. You´re responding exactly they want you to.

"Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa." seriouslly, where did you´ve got that from? Thomas Sowell really has to be such a trustworthy one..

you know NOTHING, really NOTHING about Islam or it´s history, just the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they keep telling you. Ever heard of "History's is the lie commonly agreed upon"?

you´re stating your opinion with stupid and surely false facts.

I admit Islam had/has it´s wrong turns too.. but THIS is just a pathetic move of non-muslims trying to claim us and trying to hush up their crimes by accusing us to have done much worse.
But it's not true, it will never be, no matter how puppets like you try to make it real.

Well, if that "Islam-slave-(*)(*)(*)(*)"´s true.. than tell me where are the blacks in the islamic regions protesting against us like against YOU?
Look at Malcolm X, Martin Luther King..

MAYBE, IF we've done it; you can see that racism isn´t just a controversial topic by us like by you.
We teach our children from the beginning, to accept everyone as equal, ISLAM teaches it us.
This Africans must be really stupid to convert to islam if it has done SOOOOO many unhuman crimes to them..
SERIOUSLY , you´re talking Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), catched up from lying (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) sources who may probably got lots of money just to writing this (*)(*)(*)(*) cuz people would believe them just because they got Doctor titles..

What does all the knowledge do to you, if you get so blind not to see the truth?

ISLAM is the right way, no matter how you'll try turn it
IT IS, WAS and will ALWAYS BE
we never rape our women, children or all the unhuman crimes you do, all that crazy (*)(*)(*)(*) "beeing yourself" & "finding yourself" trying to justify your mistakes


I`m surley sad and pity you cuz you´ve seriusly not the slicest idea of it. Just beeing so ignoarant cuz of stupid facts


It´s always the same mess; attacking the islam by accusing it, and if a muslims defends himself,there are always gonna be cameras and reporters to show it to the world, but seriously never telling the truth of their acts.
They never show the soldiers who come back from this "we´re fighting the terrorism(seriously;define terrorism)" missions, telling about their experiences and the injustice their own state is doing, they never show you the guys who regret what they´ve done there, cuz they reliased they were on the wrong side, never the ones who also kill themselves cuz of the trauma and the guilt feelings..DO THEY? no one seems to want to hear their opinion, the ones who´ve been realy there and experienced it

And than there are a few of them who are brave enough to act: doesnt matter if it´s for example on the wikileaks story, who you treat like murderers cuz they had the courage to stand for what´s right, and to inform you about the injustice of their own country


You know that kid who told about the non-muslims crimes..it`s not meant to use as the tu quoque fallacy, it just wanted to make you aware of the fact that you´ve done worse things to,much worse, and dont get hunted for it like him.

 

>>>ADVISOR EDIT: PERSONAL ATTACK<<<, i neither any muslims has to justify for it
maybe we will after who do for yours
keep going

 

There was a documentary on the History Channel called The Sahara, and within the narration, it was stated, historically, that the Muslims would spread their religion by the sword. And further, it was noted that the Islamist invaders, while spreading Islam by the sword across the northern Sahara from East to West, their battle cry: convert or die

 

I don't have the energy to refute all this self-righteous blabber so let me sum it up this way:

I would prefer to live in Western Civilization than Islamic Civilization such as that seen in the Middle East. The reasons are obvious and clear. And I hardly think it's a coincidence that the place where free thought, science and separation of church (or in your case mosque) and state are present is more advanced than the one where a 2000-year-old story book is still revered as the template for life and is used as justification to kill people.

Keep your book, and its teachings, away from me. If you come here, then at the very least ignore everything in that book that violates common law of Western countries. Or would that be against your holy duty?

 

Well if one uses any of a number of widely accepted official definitions of terrorism it would be Qutbists or, more commonly known as Jihadists as a state which uses legal force is not a terrorist or using terrorism but rather military force to achieve it's political ends.​

 

Muslims used the sword to conquer countries and empires, but the sword can't convince people to accept a religion .
" convert or die " is a big lie ..
Allah says in Quran " There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. " (2:256)

the fact is that people of the conquered country had to choose between Islam or Fight or to pay taxes to Islamic state. So if they chose paying taxes, Islam had to protect them and guarantee the freedom of religion .

I just want to say that Muslims also pay Zakah to the state .