Who's the real terrorist?

Are you Palestinian? Do you know Sirhan Sirhan or Nidal Malik Hassan. They are both Palestinians who changed the course of American history.​

 

Sounds like hypocritical Muslims criticizing Jews for doing what Muslims have done a million times worse, Generally, nothing in the Koran means anything to me, other than a destructive book to be banned, and removed from every school, bookstore, and library in the land.

 

Hey Abo, are you a Sunni, Sheeite or Kurd? ---well you can't be a Kurd because you are anti-Western.

Do you think the last book or the Koran---the book of the sword---replaces anything else Mohammud wrote earlier?

Will you get more of a reward in your heaven for killing 10 Christian infidels, or 10 Islamic brothers who aren't in your same religious sect?

 

I've said this before, seems like to me the US has been involved with many more wars than anyone else. I would state that we're actually more of a terrorist than anyone else.

 

I will start with the Japs and what got the U.S. into WW2. They attacked Pearl Harbor, not only Battle Ships but machine gunned the streets of Honolulu killing a lot of civilians. Since you have a computer you might want to look up what they did in the Philippines. And you might want to look up the Bataan death march. The Japanese and Germans started what was called total warfare which meant they bombed the general population of any nation they attacked so we just did what they started and we were better at it. Now, do you have any understanding of how many more Japanese would have been killed if we had invaded their main land??? Try over 20 million. They got off easy with only losing 300,000 from the atomic bombs. Your trouble is, you know nothing of history. ?????? Not even of your own country.

Al Qaeda hit the twin towers, not the C.I.A.

You think I, """used too much idioms"""??? I believe you can understand this, from 9-11-2001 to the present Muslim terrorist have made 67 terror attacks on U.S. soil. More than 11,000 people were killed world wide last year by your beloved Muslim terrorist in 2,459 savage terror attacks. Are you with me so far?? Do you understand the numbers??? These attacks were not a part of any war. Go look at the Geneva Convention and you will find if a combatant does not wear a uniform or an insignia that can clearly be seen at a distance, carries their weapons concealed among the general population, they can be stood up against a wall and shot. They are an illegal combatant (terrorist) and if the officer in command decides to shoot them they are dead, legally!!

 

You don't suppose visiting abject terror upon hundreds of thousands of now dead innocent Iraqis in the most specious of 'wars' counts?

 

I believe you will find that the Muslim terrorists your defending killed the majority of the innocent Iraqis.

 

I expect these aren't your only deficient beliefs.

 

So you haven't read it. Figures.

 

Hey, you're American, right? Do you know my Grandfather Tom? He changed my history.

 

Answer the question please.

 

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with this "bubble" thing, and I don't think you know what you're talking about either.

I read it. So what about it ? I gave you my assessment of it in the post you quoted. You don't like it ? Tough!

 

You do know that Sirhan Sirhan is a Christian don't you? While born in Jerusalem, he is Jordanian and immigrated to California when he was 12.

 

No, you gave me a bias assessment of what you think is in the book and have yet to demonstrate any knowledge of the Koran other than what out of context garbage some fundamentalist preacher spewed in you direction.

I have a copy by my chair and spent a few quality months trying to understand what it says and means. I am not Muslim but do want to understand what they believe and how they apply the many principles contained in the Koran. I do see the verses that call for war but also see that Allah demands offense and oppression by an aggressor to justify it, (at least as best as my interpretation.).

I don't think the West has intended offense or oppression of the Muslims but do understand they might think differently. I was challenged to understand what the Koran demands of them and have at least made an effort. I find those that would wage a religious war without understanding their enemy both foolish and cowardly. That would apply equally to both parties.

 

NO, I did not give you a biased anything. The verses I stated are correct, and I now have to question either your competence to discuss this subject, or your intelligence, or your sanity. And to hear you talk as you do, indicates to me that YOU are biased, for whatever reason. If you really want to understand today's Islamists and their jihad, whether the violence of al Qaeda or the non-violent jihad of the Muslim Brotherhood, I would suggest you read the protectionist literature (and their thousands of footnoted reports). Here's a partial list of the 25 books I've read on jihad over the past 12 years. These books are loaded with facts including dozens of xeroxed copies of CAIR's own internal documents taken by undercover work.


1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

8. Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

 

Okay, he was born a Muslim, lived in a third world country during his developing years, first comes to America while in his teens, becomes a Christian and fundamentally changed America...for the worst!

Gee, if he was only better at reading a teleprompter and he might have been Obama's perfect role model.

 

The suras/verses I quoted are exactly the same in many translations, and they are just as I quoted them. Take your pick. Shakir, Dawood, Arberry, Pickthall, Ali. All the same. The fact that you know so little about this subject that you attribute these passages to "some fundamentalist preacher", when they are THE verses translated by the most prominent translators in the world, shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Come back to the thread after you've done A LOT of reading (when you're ready). You would be well of to start with the books I suggested.

 

There is no terrorism, just the terrorism you interpret.

 

Number one on his reading list:

ACT! for America has a problem. Its first problem is that it was founded by Brigitte Gabriel. Yes,The same Brigitte Gabriel the New York Times called a “radical Islamophobe” and who in the past has made statements like “Arabs have no soul,” and “Arabs are barbarians.” She might be novel eye candy for some (which I’m guessing is the reason Bill Maher had her on his show) but it is clear that Brigitte Gabriel is a whacked out fundamentalist with a seething rage against Muslims and a determination on the one hand to destroy Islam and on the other to make as much profit in the process.

Number two and three on his reading list:

http://spencerwatch.com/2011/01/11/spencer-distorts-egyptian-society-spreads-interfaith-bigotry/

I became tired of reading about idiot extremists after that but at least Pam Geller didn't make an appearance!

 

No, he wasn't born a Muslim. He is an Arab Christian by birth and a Baptist by choice. If you're going to demonize somebody, at least take the time to read his Bio.

 

I "interpret" 9/11 to be terrorism. I "interpret" LAX to be terrorism. I "interpret" Fort Hood (both instances) to be terrorism. And the underwear bomber. And the USS Cole. And the African embassies. And Benghazi. And the Times Square bomber. And the Christmas tree bomber. And dozens of others, all interpreted to be terrorism by the FBI and almost all Americans. Yup.

 

Act for America has NO PROBLEM. Brigitte Gabriel has no problem. Pam Gellar has not problem. Robert Spencer has no problem. YOU have a problem. So does the New York Times. So BG called Arabs barbarians. So what ? I call Muslims (who follow the Koran) barbarians too. By their actions, that's exactly what they are. I routinely call them uncivilized, barbaric savages. Absolutely. what else can you call people who discriminate against women so badly that they beat them, kill them, maim them by cutting their noses and ears off, let schoolgirls die in a fire, just because they would have not been wearing their abayas when they would have run out of the building on fire. And people who stone to death women for minor "offenses" that wouldn't even be considered an offense in America. Who consider slavery OK. Who consider pedophilia OK. Who consider rape and even murder to be OK.

Trying to invalidate protectionist authors is # 1 on the methodology list of Islamapologists. It doesn't carry any weight. We've all seen the tactic 10,000 times before. And BTW, have you actually read any of these books which you laughingly attempt to disparage ? Do you have any clue about what you're saying, and referring to as "extremists" ?

EARTH TO FOR TOPICAL USE ONLY ::: These books are loaded with substantiated FACTS. There's no such thing as extremism in simply reciting facts, and events of recent recorded history

Invalidation is hard-wired into Islamapologists.

Brigitte Gabriel is not a fundamentalist of anything. She is a very well-studied, highly educated woman who speaks 4 languages (English, Arabic, Hebrew, and French) and is the author of 2 well-researched New York Times bestseller books. Have you read those books ? So as to be able to begin to cast an opinion about her ? As for destroying Islam, what's wrong with that ? That is exactly what should happen to Islam, or have it be banned at the very least. You sound like you support Islam. YOU makes YOU the "wacked out" one.

And lastly, EARTH TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (and all those naive enough to listen to them) >> There is no such thing as Islamaphobia. A "phobia" is an irrational fear based on nothing. But fear of jihad (violent or non-violent) is perfectly rational, as established by 20,000 violent, Muslim, jihadist attacks since 9/11, and thousands of instances of Islamization in schools, universities, workplaces, various branches of the government, airports, private homes, and the public streets.