Why was 2 elementary schools built in the same path as 1999 Tornado

Why is it tempting? I mean if you know very well that there are plenty of people out there that own guns that are very well educated and capable of carrying on without so much as being in the news except when they post their obituary in the local paper, why is it so hard not to stereotype us?
The VAST majority of people that own guns don't get on this site. Heck, if I weren't wondering how people could justify NOT owning guns, I might have never found PF myself.

 

I think the logistics of it would be very difficult if not impossible. Think about the schools that have thousands of people... It would take a bunker the size of a small city to protect all those students...

Again, I'm not against it, I just don't know if it could be done....

 

I'm still waiting on that study you promised....

 

The teachers will get paid a little less so that we can build storm shelters for the children.

 

That's not so. In the old days, every farm had a cellar which was used for storm shelter and for storing canned produce for winter use. The soil in OK varies widely from one location to another, but the most probable cause for newer homes being built without storm shelters is the cost. Developers build as cheaply as they can and shift the responsibility for homeowners' safety to government.

 

So should we reduce the pay of police officers so we can give all citizens guns? Should we reduce the pay of the clerk at Wal-Mart so we can enforce seatbelt laws? Should we reduce the pay of doctors to pay for people to be educated on making better food choices?

This doesn't hold water.

 

Knock yourself out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#Studies_comparing_religious_belief_and_I.Q.

 

Well it makes you wonder. Conservative gun loving theists have lower average intelligence. Liberal gun hating atheists have lower average intelligence, then who the hell is the braniac who is dragging the US up to the rank of 19 in the world

 

Yes, and lets fire policemen to build an extra cell block in the police department...

 

We have an education budget that is supposedly based on priorities.

We allow so much for salary, so much for books, and so much for facilities.

If you want to increase salary for the teachers you have to buy fewer books or not spend money on shelters for the children.

I'd rather spend it on the kids.

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We don't have to hire as many as we could if every person arrested were shot at sunrise so that we didn't need to build a jail.

Because we do build jails we have fewer cops on the streets.

 

because the entire STATE is a tornado prone area..... anywhere anything gets built is on a spot where a previous tornado has already hit, or a future one is going to hit. No avoiding it though

mass movement of students takes time. Tornadoes do not give you that luxury all the time. So to build a 1 shelter:1 classroom ratio is cost prohibitive. Building just 1 huge sized shelter that doubles as a lunchroom or something is more probably, but again, it's the time constraints you deal with. to move 500-700 kids from the classroom, to an underground lunchroom takes a lot more time than they have. Just no way to logistically pull it off successfully when you actually need to pull it off.

what more can they do. No building can withstand an F-4 direct hit. It was a tragic situation. but my above statements apply to why they can't just make this stuff happen.

no.building.can.withstand.300mph winds
there is not enough time to get the entire elementary into a lunchroom sized underground shelter when they realize a tornado is coming and there is no way a school district can afford to build individual classroom storm shelters for every class.


this is typical reactionary legislation (suggestions at this point) but if a kid dies, we get kneejerk reaction laws passed which cost everyone more money and supporters argue that if you don't go along with these reactionary plans.... you must hate the children.



School districts own the land.... so if one gets destroyed, they tend to have to rebuild it on the land they still own.

 

Oh really... Your going to try and pull off a wiki response on this.... Now that is funny....

Oh by the way, you might want to read the article BEFORE you post it. Oh and look at the charts.... There is absolutely no correlation between spiritual feelings and intelligence.

This is not to mention you still haven't posted ANYTHING to back up your bogus claim about gun owners.....

Give it up.... Just admit it was a bogus remark and move on.

 

All lousy excuses.
Limit schools size and build enough of them if needed and put shelters in all of them and train.
It can be done. I guess the will isnt there to do it.

 

Right, and then the few teachers that are still doing their jobs actually decide that they can't pay their bills any longer on the pennies a day salaries and they too walk off. WHO teaches the kids?
We have books, we have a nice building, we have state of the art computers, we have the best technology we can buy, and we have tornado shelters to hide the kids in, but NO TEACHERS.... (at least any that know their butts from a hole in the ground)
That seems to be a big problem.

 

if money were infinite... sure. But alas, money is a finite resource. So until you figure out where all that money will come from.... there's nothing you more you can do.

Doesn't matter where you move a school in Oklahoma.... it all is in a previous tornado path, or future one

 

It seems like the teachers always want more than we are able to give them.

If the teachers are so underpaid that they cannot pay their bills maybe they will quit and do something else.

Particularly if they are just in it for the money.

But those people rarely make good teachers anyway.

 

I never claimed that either side was an idiot.... I personally don't claim to be from either side.... I feel I'm from the outside when I come on this site. So many people have extreme feelings based on conservative and liberal points of view....
I think they are all crazy and just want to b*tch about something... Of course the same could be said about me since I still come here.

As for who is pulling the US up? I don't think it has a thing to do with liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, black or white, Christians or Atheists..... I think it has to do with people that raise their kids to have expectations for themselves. Ones that have value for morals, and ones that value working hard to better themselves in the future.

 

Since apparently you can't see what wiki page consists of I will give you links to the original studies
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608001013
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000238
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html
http://spq.sagepub.com/content/73/1/33.short
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

As for gun ownership and intelligence, there probably not much correlation, unless of course, you own gunz and bible thump... That was my context btw, sorry if you got confused.

 

you are simply taking an unrealistic approach to 'fixing' an unfixeable problem' basing laws on stuff that won't work in the real world is very progressive.


this tragedy was not a result of teachers making too much (and therefore taking away resources that could be turned into better/safer storm shelters for kids)

it's about people knee-jerking, thinking that you can actually build a school that is F-4 proof. it's about people thinking you can actually find an acre of land in OK that is less likely to get hit from tornadoes than another acre of land.

 

I can't speak for teachers as a whole, nor would I want to, but I can speak for the masses of them in my family. We work in a state that is a "right to work state" Meaning we are not protected by any stupid union. We work our butts off and do what is right for the students. Every one of us puts our kids before ourselves. I won't even start to count the times I have bought stuff for the kids that had nothing.
I don't complain about the money, because that's not why I started teaching.... I made WAY more money in industry, had way less responsibility, and FAR less headaches.....

Sad thing is people that would make this comment don't give a rats butt about people that do the things we do, nor would they do those things themselves.

 

Oh, not offended. Just sorry your decent thread was turned into a political cesspool.

 

he is trolling again....childishness and ignorance always finds a way to come out.

 

The school above ground will probably be destroyed.

But if the children are in a storm shelter underground they will not die.

However the teachers would get paid less than they are now when the kids are buried under tons of rubble.

 

Why not take it out of your own pocket and raise taxes if you want something. Why does one always want to steal from someone else?

 

I will not try to argue that all teachers are bad.

But I can't accept your suggestion that all of them must be good either.

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I don't consider it stealing rom the teachers.

There is a finite amount of money for education and if we are going to build schools with part of the money lets build schools that are safe and pay the teachers with what is left over.