What the Muslims here think about "Dubai rape case"and [B]Sharia law[/B] in general?

Um yes it does:

Why did they [who slandered] not produce for it four witnesses? And when they do not produce the witnesses, then it is they, in the sight of Allah , who are the liars.

 

The "Laws" are the actual problem....but you are correct in a way, people (especially women) should completely avoid such backwards places.

 

I have been in Dubai 2 times for skydiving parachute and they were so polite people . So much tourists there and you can see the veiled muslims women and mini-skirted russian girls side by side .

 

how yo have been dressed up?

 

Jeans and t-shirt . No men look at you while you walk on street , order of priority for women in everywhere , when you shop , when deposit bills , when will ride in public transport vehicles . No theft , already no poor people , the poorest people live in excessive luxury villas . You can drink alcohol in some specific places but not in public places .

 

it's a stupid law system but it's theirs, I suggest people don't go to these places if object to their cultures or laws...

not so long ago rape was also very difficult to get a conviction for in western countries as well, the victim was routinely treated as a liar...it has improved but it still difficult to get convictions so many rapes still go unreported...

 

I was on a grand jury many years ago and there were quite a few rape cases. There were some black women on the jury with me, and most of the girls reporting rape were also black. I didn't know the neighborhoods, but the first thing the black women would tell me is what was the girl doing on that corner at night? They also told me they cry rape many times to get even with some man.

 

what makes you think she was right? because she was black?...that was issue then and it still common myths, "she was asking for it" " she was getting even", "what was she doing out late at night", "look how she was dressed it's her own fault"...rape is a very personal crime, most probably still don't even get reported because of embarrassment, IMO false accusations of rape would be rare....

 

Marte Deborah Dalelv was working for an Arab-owned company and she should have been more familiar with Islamic laws of the country before reporting the alleged incident of rape as it's usually women who get blamed for seducing men in Islamic culture. But Dalelv successfully launched a media campaign to restore her honour and shame the Dubai authorities and she is a strong feminist woman who deserves our respect.

 

2 years ago, french people from Tunisia voted for muslims brothers. I think a lot muslims who live in Europe vomit our civilization. They would like so much Europe become muslim. Soon, it will be probably. 50 years again and they will make laws in Europe.

 

i Sweden girl who had BDSM sex with a men , wrote BDSM contract , stay with @raper@ the whole week end and then regretted.... and (*)(*)(*)(*)% storm started ...

 

No, you are wrong:

http://skeptic-mind.blogspot.ca/2012/05/4-witnesses-necessary-to-prove-rape.html

Rape in Islamic sharia is equivalent with that of a Highway robbery. Hudud punishments are those punishments which are specified in Quran and Hadith. It needs 4 adult, male witnesses OR confession of the criminal to deliver prescribed Hudud punishment for adultery, rape, robbery etc. That's the Islamic Sharia.

Sahih Bukhari, Vol 8, Book 82, Hadith 816, Narrated Ibn Abbas,

Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession."

Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."



Therefore, according to this divine law, Hudud punishment for rape which is death penalty could only be given in two cases:

1. Confession by the rapist, or

2. Testimony of 4 (adult, male) witnesses.

A raped woman's accusation on another person is simply not enough. In Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 40, (Chapter: Regarding one deserving of the punishment coming to confess) Hadith 29, we read: Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (pbuh) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me.

They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse withher and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (pbuh).

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. Abu Dawud said: Asbat bin Nasr has also transmitted it from Simak.



In this particular Hadith we see, Muhammad was about to pass the judgement but didn't do so until the rapist confessed of the crime. Only after the original rapist confessed did Muhammad deliver his verdict and sentenced the original rapist to death. This is an important to remember.

Proof of Zina (adultery) or Zina Bil-Jabr (rape) liable to Hadd shall be one of the following:

(a) The accused makes confession or

(b) There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses

[source: Pakistan Hudood Ordinance VII of 1979 amended by Ordinance XX of 1980]

Proof of adultery or rape liable to Hadd shall be one of the following:

a. The accused makes confession, or

b. There are at least four Muslim adult male witnesses.

[source: Codified Islamic Law Volume 1, Law#133]

Punishment will take place when Zina or rape have been proved by witness.

[source: Codified Islamic Law #135]

Sharia Law rejects the witness of women in Hudood cases.

[source: Hanafi Law-Page 176, 353, Shafi’i Law- page 638 Law#o.24.9, Criminal Law in Islam and the Muslim World –page 251, The Penal Law of Islam – Kazi Publications Lahore- page 44, 45]

The evidence of women is originally inadmissible on account of their weakness of understanding, want of memory and incapacity of governing.

[source: The Penal Law of Islam – Kazi Publications Lahore- page 44 – 45]

What happens when the rapist do not confess or the raped woman is unable to provide 4 male witnesses?

The Qadhi (islamic judge) may consider Tazir punishments. The judge may accept other evidences such as DNA, circumstantial etc and deliver the Tazir. If rape is not proven then the judge may dismiss the case. Or, depending upon how fundamentalist The sharia court is...the judge may reject Tazir and dismiss the case because of lack of witnesses.

The raped woman then may get accused of adultery (zina) because she confessed of having a sexual intercourse or becomes pregnant as a result of rape. Then she might get stoned to death.

 

I'm unconvinced he did.
It seems they had sex but I get the idea she was game until she sobered up. If he'd down a few as well, it's hardly his fault if some woman wanders into his room and makes it clear she wants sex.
Of course, it's not clear what actually happened but her lies make her whole story suspect.

I'm going with a mind changer wanting to appease her soul by crying rape.
That or he upset her in some way; maybe he mentioned she was crap in the sack or her sister was better.

 

looks like you was there as well...but you have a point here, Scandinavia has most wired rape-laws ...
Assange´s broken condom case is a good example ...

 

Forget about Bukhari Zukhari Lukhari F...ckari Abu Davud Mabu Davud . This is why today islamic world in some big wrongs . My book is Quran , it enough for me as Allah (c.c) says and Muhammed prophet is his messanger , a normal human , not God .
You will show me with Quran , not another things which fabricated with the aim of self-interest .

 

The problem with this theory is that it does not take into account the effect of the rest of the world on Islam.

There is a really good reason that hardline muslims support censorship so much. They know what will happen if free speech and open dialogue is allowed.

Be careful what you wish for. It may not turn out like you expect.

 

This is not a theory for us , this is a fact and will happen .

 

WTF are you blathering about? She woke up to the man sexually assaulting her in her sleep, that is rape any way you cut it and when she fought back this sick (*)(*)(*)(*) pushed her head into the pillow, she was only able to get away because hotel staff knocked on the door. Being drunk and hanging out with someone does not mean you intend to have sex with them, only Muslims and Islamophiles think in such barbaric terms.

This woman was raped, and if she were in a civilized country rather than that of the Muslim savages they would have conducted a rape kit rather than arresting the victim.

 

Not by a long shot, Islam is a perversion and anathema to the sensibilities of all civilized peoples, which is why it is agnosticism and secularism which are spreading so rapidly, the only reason why Islam grows is because the Muslims breed like rabbits as most peoples from primitive backwards cultures do, conversion to Islam is extremely rare in the West and of those who do convert leave Islam within the first few years, in fact 15% of Muslims in western Europe have left Islam since migrating to the west. One only needs look towards Africa to realize Islam is losing ground and fast, where once Muslims were in the majority they are now outnumbered 2:1 by Christians.

 

Without 4 witnesses to testify to rape it is considered admission to extramarital sex, the fact that extramarital sex itself is a crime is almost as disgusting as arresting rape victims for being raped.

 

Get out child .

 

That's right! If every muslim should wear suicide bomber belt. Muslims worldwide fear like demons. lol

 

Where did you get that from ?: THe report I read concluded she was drunk - the alleged rapist ( a colleague ) was also drunk. and there was not a single third party witness. Just a thing between two intoxicated ********s.

However , at the end of the day - she did not go to gaol, her Passport was returned to her and free to go back to Norway or wherever else she wish to go. .

End of story.

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The reason I mentioned it was because I didn't know the black neighborhoods, the black women did. It seems that a certain corner was where the prostitutes congregated. I do recall driving through the lower west side of Manhattan decades ago to visit my daughter, and they could all be seen, even girls and boys as young as twelve and walking the streets half naked. It was so sorrowful, and since then I made it a point to donate money to Covenant House so they can have shelter and learn a trade.

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The reason I mentioned it was because I didn't know the black neighborhoods, the black women did. It seems that a certain corner was where the prostitutes congregated. I do recall driving through the lower west side of Manhattan decades ago to visit my daughter, and they could all be seen, even girls and boys as young as twelve and walking the streets half naked. It was so sorrowful, and since then I made it a point to donate money to Covenant House so they can have shelter and learn a trade.

 

Look at this , they're trying to teach us morality but they're not aware of how a low-moral country they live in : ))) google it as Usa , Rape , Women , Statistics and see what a moral community .

http://www.feministcritics.org/blog...soners-raped-every-year-in-the-united-states/