What the Muslims here think about "Dubai rape case"and [B]Sharia law[/B] in general?

I think muslims must do their revolution for separate religion from politic. Until they do this revolution, islam will be in late about modernity. During this time, all fascims will have long life. Unhappily.

 

Anyway , probably you will be another muslim in the future , at least your children will be . After the 9/11 attack spread of Islam increased in Usa . This fact confirms my claims .

 

75% of converts to Islam in the U.S. leave Islam within the first few years, Islam is not even close to the fastest growing religion in the U.S. it is the 9th.

Of all Muslims in Western Europe 15% have left Islam. Secularism and reason are beating superstition and barbarism hands down.

 

LoL, what a beautiful prospect for the World

 

Refreshing to see an honest Muslim stating the goal of conquering Europe/ US via invasion and welfare leeching. We've seen all the Muslim Brotherhood documents says as much, but good on you for being up front about it.

 

Can someone quote Sharia Law that applies to this case?

 

[video=youtube;LUM3pTwp6xY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUM3pTwp6xY[/video]

[video=youtube;1og40C20lJI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1og40C20lJI[/video]

 

so you can't quote Sharia law to explain this just a news report....got it.

 

So let me see if I have this correctly - when you go to Dubai you MUST obey the laws of the land, but in France, if you DON'T obey the laws of the land, such as the prohibition against burqa or somesuch in France, THEN Muslims think Sharia law trumps the laws of the land and it's okay to riot - anyone else see a contradiction here?

 

When a woman claims rape but can not produce four male witnesses to testify to rape it is considered a confession to adultery/extramarital sex under Sharia due to Surah 24:13:

YUSUFALI: Why did they not bring four witnesses to prove it? When they have not brought the witnesses, such men, in the sight of Allah, (stand forth) themselves as liars!
PICKTHAL: Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.
SHAKIR: Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.

 

http://www.islamicvoice.com/april.99/dialogue.htm

 

If I remember correctly, under Sharia law all a woman needs to do to prove rape is to produce four witnesses to the rape. How hard can that be?

 

LOL, yeh really ...

 

I'm not a Muslim but I will give you my opinion anyway. I find the imposition of sexual license in the Western world almost as abhorrent as the blatant cruelty of Islam, the difference between them though is that the cruelty continues to exist because of the Islamic faith, while the imposition of sexual license is because of the demise of the Christian faith.

As for the girl, I'm glad she's free, after all she is only a product of her society.

 

A pity I'm on Lien's ignore list, because I want to thank her for confirming what I have been saying all along about Islam and its intent towards Europe. I think her confidence in saying these things, has to do with her Turkish boy friend. It seems the megalomaniacal propaganda of Erdogan is encompassing them all.

 

You got it right, but they have an agenda in all this. The Muslims have been told to use our own laws against us, so if they cause enough trouble, we will eventually change everything to the benefit of Islam. It is a Muslim belief that peace will never come about in the world, unless the whole world is under Islam. I guess then the bloody borders of Islam is what is known as a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

May Allah bless them all with an 'Arab Spring'.

 

It doesn't say that http://quran.com/24/

 

Nah , you remember wrong . Quran says bring four witnesses for women that you claim they are in prostitution (with their requests) , this is very difficult case , who could find 4 witnesses , so here Quran protects women . Today you can prove your claims with different ways , but in ancient times the best thing you can do was referring to witnesses .

Also Allah(c.c) says he is forgiving for innocent women those who forced to into prostitution , they're not sinners .(24-33)

 

You do know that the Muslim nations will not take back any Muslim who has left, nor will it allow Muslims from other Muslim nations such as the Palestinians, to enter and acquire citizenship. The only nation that accepted the Palestinians is Lebanon because it was predominantly Christian. There is a reason in all this though. If the Muslims are accepted back they won't be able to propagate their faith and increase their population in non Islamic countries. They welcome Christians though.

 

There are holes in this one.
I don't believe a woman should be charged with anything because she was raped - I'll make that clear first.

However - the twists on this story are as plain as the nose on your face.

She'd been drinking (Illegally) to the point she was totally smashed and claims to have passed out.
She asked the man to take her to her hotel room because she claims she was too drunk to find her way but she knew it wasn't the right room.
She decided not to fight the man who she claims dragged her in, instead drinking a bottle of water and saying she would walk out after finishing it.
However, she was so drunk, she passed out.

Get real. I've been that drunk and that story just doesn't fit with the physical state you're in whist that smashed.

I don't believe a word of it.
IMHO _ She was drunk and fancied a screw, changed her mind after the deed was done and decided to blame the bloke for her drunken stupidity.

However, that doesn't mean I agree with Saudi law on the subject - I don't, but I do believe this case is a lie, blown up by the press and presented as truth to get a good story.

 

much like you and me, but i have a point, if it ´d happen in Norway, he ´d also have NO chance to justice ...castrated and deported together with his whole family ...directory into Saudi torture chamber ...

 

even so he d not have fuc% the "body", its maybe not rape-rape but still a crime and the nasty behavior

 

You do know that the Muslim nations will not take back any Muslim who has left, nor will it allow Muslims from other Muslim nations such as the Palestinians, to enter and acquire citizenship. The only nation that accepted the Palestinians is Lebanon because it was predominantly Christian. There is a reason in all this though. If the Muslims are accepted back they won't be able to propagate their faith and increase their population in non Islamic countries. They welcome Christians though.

 

Actually the better way of putting it is that you must obey the laws of the country you are in. She shouldn't have been drinking, but what happens is that she comes from a very free society, and not knowing otherwise started to behave in the fashion she was accustomed to. It was simply bad luck on her part because I have grandchildren and know very well what goes on in this world. The Dubai authorities should have taken these things into account and have been a little more lenient.

I think what happens is that their co-workers tell them they can drink at private parties, as long as it is not public...and that's where the confusion comes in. I wonder if her rapists were penalized for drinking if not for the actual rape?