What the Muslims here think about "Dubai rape case"and [B]Sharia law[/B] in general?

Quran is a clear book , if you know enough arabic you can understand easly , no need to LEADERS or HADITHS . For example according to LEADERS non-muslim people must pay jizyah if they live in a muslim country . Because according to them Hz.Muhammed (sav) did that , they dont care what Quran says , Quran is not in the first place for them , Bukhari is their God . I did some research on this issue (also I know a littlle arabic) and this verse talkin about war reparations , not a special tax type for non-muslims . Allah(c.c) says Quran is an obvious clear book for you that read it and got it . Sorry but you're not Muslim still if you need to LEADERS for understand it .

Islamic youth is in the awakening and despite so much negativity its fastest growing religion . This will be much faster when we clean the misunderstandings inshallah .

Nice to meet you too .

 

You made that up.
I suggest this woman made up the story - not all.
Your need to lie doesn't say much about you. does it?

 

Lien in every society there are people who commit criminal acts, the difference is that it is recognized and admitted as being criminal and harmful to others in Western societies, so they are condemned. Why aren't those two brothers who committed a terrorist act in Boston against innocent people being condemned by you, and by all the other Chechnyans? Instead all I hear is that they were framed.

Since the proof is overwhelming, I can only come to one conclusion, and that is that there is an agenda to spread misinformation to make us doubt our own authorities. This of course makes us suspect towards your honesty, and the honesty of all other Chechnyans, so how can we believe anything you are saying about Islam?

Today in Milliyet, it said that the Chechnyan jihadists killed the two kidnapped Syrian bishops. It also wrote that the killers were captured and then released to Russia. Russia denies they ever entered their territory. More than likely Turkey sent them back to Syria to continue their fight against the Kurds.

 

If she was raped, I'd happily advocate chopping the rapist's ball off.
However, in this case there are far too many holes in the story for me to just take her word on it.
She did make two different statements to the police, even if she did claim one was at the request of a third party with the intention of getting her out of trouble.

No, I just don't believe it.

 

If it was that clear, there would be no disagreement about how to interpret it.

...because it is also the smallest religion in most nations.

Growing from 1 to 2 is a 100% growth rate, but that does not mean that 2 is a lot.

I think you will have to clear up all the misunderstandings between Muslims themselves before you can move on to taking over the world. There is no current universal consensus on how the Quran should be interpreted.





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I have no ignore list.
I see it this way; if you need to ignore someone, it means you can't counter their arguments so you're probably wrong in yours.

 

Dubai and the whole of UAB is fake and built on lies. Spoiled rich natives who never lifted a finger. Native populations in UAB has to be only 5-10% of the overall population. A certain % are Westerners who came there to work. The rest are slaves whom the oil rich sheikhs bring from Asia and Middle East so they can have someone buff their shoes and do the dirty work.

I hate sharia law as well!

 

Disagreements derived from hadiths and personal interests . Those who translated Quran usually copy from each other , translations are very similar to each other , they dont use their brains .

Dont be afraid of Islam .

 

But who are the ones enforcing said sharia law?

Right. So customs and possible word-play in a book written well over a thousand years ago does not need any explanation, even allowing for cultural drift in all those centuries? That only works if the culture itself hasn't changed since the time of Mohammed. Oh wait.

Eh, I only have one person on my ignore list, and only because said person is - boring. You've seen one post, you've seen them all. So there are other reasons.

 

i see them also, but problem is here that people form the 3 world(Lien, Saudi Margot, and you) think that "a drunk women is not own her pus$y", i think she +d be drunk as a Churchill on 8s may of 1945 but still no one has a right to fu&k her...problem is here, that in Scandinavia a girl can have a voluntary %ex and the nest day .....to change her mind...and a Scandinavian court will accept it ....

 

Nothing is ever clear. Or, at least, nothing has onl one interpretation. Our own politics and laws are an example of that. Christianity, itself, has many interpretations which led to it's many denominations.

I've always wondered, though, whether Sharia law was, in fact, a religious law, or just laws that use religion as a symbol of validity. Islam is practiced in many places, but Sharia is only practiced in some. Sharia seems just another political creation using some of religions gleam to get certain things.

This seems to be the true source of problems, social and political discord. That Islam happens to be the religion of this area seems to be taken, by some, as the major source of the troubles, but it seemed more like poverty, powerlessness, instability, and these sorts of things are the real reasons for all of that, not the sypmtoms.

Still, though, in the dark...

 

You're just butthurt it's the only region in the Middle East doing quite well. Meanwhile in Syria...

 

So if you hate sharia laws this means you hate Quran or Islam . But if you say I hate some fabricated sharia laws , its ok .

 

I am all for Secular Syria. At any cost possible. Whatever the losses we have to take to maintain secular Syria, it will be worth it. I say no to Islamism, no to sharia law!

 

I dont know if your reply was to me asking if you posted the wrong verse, so I presume it probably was. Please could you point out where the violence is the following verse:

"And, certainly, We held the Children of Adam in esteem. And We carried them on dry land and on the sea and provided them with what is good. And We gave them advantage over many of whomever We created with excellence."


I cant see where the violence is in this verse. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

I'm not from the third world, I'm white British and can trace my family back from 1100AD.
However, a drunken woman may well say, "Yes, please" and change her mind when she sobers up.

If he did rape her, go with the ball removal but I don't believe her stories (Plural).
You may recall, she changed her story and changed it back later.

 

much like many Scandinavian women do .... i was not there so i could not say what has happened between them. what do you think about assange case?

 

do you think that Sharia laws are better option Chechnya then Russian Civil laws?

 

If Lien was correct, there would be no division of Islam into different sects. The big obvious division is Suni and Shia, but there are also smaller sects that are also considered Muslim but who have different interpretations of the Quran and the Hadith. So how come Al-Qaeda considers Shia legitimate targets for their terrorism (as evidenced by multiple attacks in Pakistan and elsewhere) if the meaning of the Quran is agreed to by Muslims.

The answer is that Muslims don't agree on their interpretation of the Quran, so why does Lien let the off the hook while castigating non-Muslims for not understanding the Quran? It would be like a Christian during the Counter-Reformation saying the meaning of the Bible is obvious to all Christians and Muslims can't grasp that central fact (the Counter-Reformation was the height of the Catholic/Protestant religious wars).

 

I dont know how many more times I will answer the same question but I will give the same answer at every turn .

 

Shariah is not a law !!
We cannot even try to compare it to the meaning "law".
In my opinion shariah is a "way of life" ( an evil one, i might add )

 

its the laws or source of laws ..dont know what you mean with "way of life"

 

what do you think about this side of sharia(when a victim of the terrible crime gets punish by an Islamic state)

[video=youtube;49_MRddit5U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49_MRddit5U[/video]

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Oh, I see. It's simply a simple misunderstanding that has killed millions of Muslims in intra-Muslim fighting over the centuries. I invite Lien to go to Mecca during the Hadj and issue a definitive Fatwah to all believers that will solve the problem once and for all. Until that happens, I will deal with the practice of Islam as it currently exists.

 

Certainly , you got it perfectly .

It will happen slowly , muslim people will learn to question what they believe . the next generation will do it .