The European / Syrian Refugee crisis

Our neo-cons never expected anyone would notice what they were up to.

 

Your neighbour's house is on fire, a child will burn to death. You didn't start the fire so (*)(*)(*)(*) 'em.

And that's without countering the inane drivel that the US isn't balls deep in Syrian war mongering.

 

Syria was second on the PNAC list to be destabilized and isolated. Read Bibi's "Clean Break Strategy"...

 

If Saudis go to Syria to fight, they are put in jail when they return to KSA.. and if you support the Syrian rebels, your bank accounts are frozen. Saudi Arabia decided two years ago that for Saudis to join the rebels would make things WORSE for the Syrian people.

 

Well seems like the Obama Admin follows PNAC as well then great point.

 

So far logical what you write ... with the first view, but not with the second closer view.

Correct is that Upraising in Syria was ... by exception ... no secret mission of CIA or whatever service and institution in the USA and the complete Arab Spring surprised nearly all powers in east and west, as well the dictators itself too. But then comes now the second view and I must explain it a little bit:

In Syria we have the problem that the Assad regime is and was always more or less a hostile country for the US, because Assad backed Hezbollah in Lebanon and was since ever close ally of Iran. Aside this was and is Assad regime close friend of USSR and later Russia, by allowing to have a little Naval base as Syrian coast and Russia is the military partner for Syrian army for training, weapons and equipment. Finally and as we all know, are Syria and Israel more or less enemies with cease fire situation since 40 years - no peace agreement as with Jordan and Egypt!

The West and not only the USA made the bas mistake to support suddenly everything and everyone who was fighting Assad in Syria, due to more or less true reports of incredibly violence the Assad regime did + the extreme huge number of refugees. Unfortunately was ISIS indirectly supported by the USA (and more or less confirmed by Turkey) too in this matter and when they suddenly became a big power in Syria, as well a threat for Iraq too as we all know. ISIS itself raised only because the criminal attack of USA against Iraq in 2003 + the incompetence of the USA after this to form Iraq into a normal country = checking and solving all the known problems between Sunni, Shiite and Kurds pleasing and peaceful and so on.
So complete situation in ME is now worse and this is for a good part guilt of USA too ... and so they have at least a bigger responsibility too for the refugee problem.

 

I believe US was secretly behind the arab Spring too. Hillary Clinton wpas always keen to meet and support dissidents. I don't think US hands are quite as clean as you think from the Syria situation.

 

The end is nigh. Particularly if Donald Trump gets anywhere further. It will be like Nero and Rome then.

 

No ... this total nonsense!

I know that many people see behind everything some sort of conspiracy of the USA and / or their services but the Arab Spring was something where no one from any side had any fingers inside that it broke out. That later the USA had here and there the fingers in it AFTER it brought out can't be denied ... we have only to take a look on Libya to know that USA are AFTER the Arab Spring, followed by upraising and civil war when bloody Gadhafi bastard shots down any opposition. This was for the USA like a Lotto win to get away with him and his regime.

A clear evidence that the Arab Spring was a total surprise for the USA, as well all others is given in Egypt. Mubarak was a clear dictator too, but well-liked by the USA and the West as stabile partner and so by Israel btw too. Also Egyptian Army was during the last 2 decades well re-equipped with US weapons, for example was most of Ex-USSR tanks replaced by US material (older M60A3, as well about 1,000 M1A1).
The Arab Spring in Egypt was against Mubarak regime and so no one in the West liked this and after this was not only a paper fire, but becoming serious, the fears in the West (and in Israel too) what will follow Mubarak was huge … and so they intervened and finally the Egyptian Army took over the power. THIS is a clear evidence that outbreak of Arab Spring was no US backed action or backed by anyone ... but ended with US and Western aid and intervention!

In Egypt it swept away the Western Mubarak regime, in Syria the same Arab Spring movement was against the Russian friend Assad and in Tunis it was against the French liked dictator … and in Libya Gadhafi! So which power is behind the Arab Spring to go against so different backed dictators? Maybe China? ... only a joke, there is no one behind!

 

good question.

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neither did germany but they are taking in most refugees, how many have you taken in?

 

Did our aid to the so-called "moderate" rebels cause the civil war?

 

Europe is OVER.

I don't think they realize it quite yet, well the smarter ones do, but their way of life is coming to a close. Multiculturalism has already killed their future, they just don't know it yet.

 

This isn't my neighbor's house. This is some other person's house halfway across the globe. It's in a pretty crowded neighborhood, so this house has plenty of neighbors. They've pulled one person out of the house, and decided that it's time for someone else to pull the rest out.

 

That's a ridiculous way to decide that the US is responsible for the Syrian refugee crisis. As you pointed out, Syria is an ally of Russia, not the US. Russia has been actively supporting the Assad government, so as far as any foreign powers go, it seems to me that Russia is the most guilty party. Send all the Syrian refugees there. Now that's justice!

 

It's hard to say. Many suspect that the CIA was involved in fomenting disorder and rebellion within Syria for years prior to the actual conflict, and that the assistance provided to these amorphous rebel groups after the fact were the key in proliferating and sustaining the rebellion throughout Syria. Virtually all of the original, pro-democracy protesters have actually disbanded or gone over to Assad's side since the conflict began, because Assad's government are the actual "moderates" in Syria. They (the Assad government) are favorable towards religious and ethnic diversity, as well as women's rights, whereas the rebels are almost exclusively Sunni Wahhabists like AQ and ISIS who want to impose a strict version of Sharia law on the entire country. Of course, the CIA will claim, as they always do during an ongoing operation, they have/had nothing to do with it, and that it was some kind of organic, grassroots movement, even though prominent US government officials have been stating their desire and intent to effectuate regime change in Syria for years. And I'm sure there are some people who will believe them despite all evidence and logic to the contrary.

 

Real justice would be sending them to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, since they are primarily responsible for funneling in the large majority of hardened foreign fighters who form the core of the rebel military. Of course, all those countries are subservient to the US government, so it all comes back to them in the end.

 

If "it's hard to say" then you don't know. Certainly a thin reed to hang US responsibility of tens of thousands of refugees.

 

Hey. We take the Mexicans. Europe takes the Syrians. If they would like to make a 1:1 swap, we might do that.

 

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All I have ever read was that Syria was inside of Lebanon and the Lebanese themselves pushed them out.
Then the leaders managed to get indirect power anyway.
Buy Iran had Hezabellah take over and Syria was partnered with the whole deal.

Where is the evidence for what you are saying?
Last I heard, we lost 300 marines over there in Lebanon.

 

I admit that I don't know for certain. That is the nature of secret operations. I didn't know that the US government was engaging in domestic mass surveillance until it was exposed by Snowden, but I had a strong suspicion that it was the case, and there was ample evidence and logic to support that suspicion. Not even a court of law requires 100% proof of something, so unless you're holding me to a higher standard than a criminal trial, I'm not really sure what the point of stating that was.

Just because I cannot claim 100% certainty does not mean it is a "thin reed". Indeed, I have already provided ample evidence and logic to support my suspicion. You disagree. That is fine. It's your right to take the US government's word for it, even though they are notoriously dishonest and corrupt. I can't tell you what to believe. But for my part, reason dictates that the US government is almost exclusively responsible for the destruction of Syria, just like they are almost exclusively responsible for the destruction of Iraq and Libya.

 

Mexicans come looking for a job.
Syrians are fleeing for their lives.

There is a difference between them work immigrants and war refugees.
It is a human right to flee for your life and cross borders etc.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Radical Islam started this mess. Long before Iraq. Get your head out of the sand.

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And both end up primarily wards of the state. Even-up trade. Our debris for yours.

 

The US is responsible for crashing Iraq's society into total chaos. And because of what the US did, ISIS got a good foothold in there and became much stronger. It would never happen if Iraq still had it's army with experienced leaders under the authority of Saddam Hussein. Not saying Saddam was a good man. But he had full control of the country, making it stable and safe from (other) terrorist. That all completely changed because of the US.

And it's not 10.000's of refugees. It's 5 million I think.

 

This isn't complicated. The rise of radical Islam is to blame. We did not foment such. It had more than enough hate from its inception. Islam is a political beast masquerading as a religion.

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We left Iraq quite secure and well armed. This is radical Islam. Not the US. It is the fault of radical Islam. Can't you libs ever blame Islam ?

 

New York Times - C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
Wall Street Journal - Saudis Seek to Funnel Arms to Syria Rebels
London Review of Books - The Red Line and the Rat Line