The Abortion Debate...there is NOTHING like it!

Donations to Planned Parenthood pay for many of their abortions.

 

Get back to us when the anti-rightists start providing free IUD's to poor women.

 

There is no such thing as an "Abortion Pusher" and never has been....calling those who support a woman's right to he own body and health decisions a Proponent of death is extremely disingenuous and does nothing but lessen your credibility. Obviously you hold strong opinions on this issue, but playing on emotions does not make said opinions more powerful....it does the opposite.

 

Ditto to you.

What else are we advocating then, please enlighten us all. Pregnancy for some is a horror the fact that you ignore that says more about your agenda than your honesty.

Yes you get it, abortion is legal, the rest of your comment is a load of BS, no one is pushing abortion .. in fact what both sides want is pretty much the same, a reduction, at least, in abortions .. the difference is how to achieve that - pro-lifers think it can be achieved via legal means that restrict and/or violate the rights of a woman, where as pro-choicers think it can be achieved via comprehensive sex education and free at source contraception of all types .. the reality shows that the pro-choice method works, where as the pro-life method does not.

TRAP laws should be repealed, they are false in their nature and you did have a pro-life president in Reagan and he did precisely nothing to restrict abortion. The GOP may pay lip service to pro-life but when it comes down to it they will not do very much about it, its all a ploy to keep the pro-lifers voting for them.

Reagan was the president that tasked Dr. C. Everett Koop with researching for links between abortion and increased mental issues, the report was never published because it did not show any correlation between the two, though a letter Koop wrote to Reagan shows that he could find nothing to link abortion to both psychological and physical effects.

Since then there have been a number of attempts to link abortion to various physical and mental issues, all have failed to do so. So what have pro-lifers done, they have started proposing laws that have nothing to do with what they say but are purely to make abortions harder to come by, and that is 100% dishonest.

Strange isn't it pro-lifers get all hot under the collar about abortion but say nothing about deaths caused by people using self-defence, if they actually took the time to do the research they would find that abortion IS a form of self-defence ... especially if one considers the person at conception ideology as reality.

Be very interesting to know your thoughts on the fact that an abortion at 10 weeks cost considerably less than an IUD - one of the safest contraception methods there is.

 

If you see anyone making a personal attack on these threads, report him/her immediately. It is against the rules of this forum. LOL, "abortion pushers" FOFLMAO.

Women will obey restrictions on abortion only up to a point, that point being when the restrictions begin to interfere with her right to make decisions involving her body. At that point, women will make their own decisions regardless of legality. So beware of the idea that all you have to do to stop abortion is criminalize it.

You're taking a lot for granted here. Starting with the non-fact of "a million living humans developing in the womb", which you intended to be an emotional appeal, but it is questionable to call a zef "a human." Second emotional appeal, "slaughter." It is a mistake to assume that a woman choosing abortion isn't "sexually responsible", or doesn't take abortion "seriously." It's not only a mistake, it's a slur on women in general. If you can't win this argument against legal abortion without emotional appeals or distorting clear facts, perhaps you're on the wrong side.

 

The anti-rightists have nothing but disingenuous emotional appeals.

The science doesn't support them.
The law doesn't support them.
Women don't support them.

That just leaves mindless appeals to emotions.

If they used that energy to raise funds for poor women to have access to effective long lasting contraception instead they could probably cut the abortion rate by at least 40% and win the support of the majority of We the People.

But as long as they continue to be the problem instead of the solution they are never going to get anywhere.

 

Abortion is a emotional issue. It's also a serious issue as it involves life and death decisions. When a living human fetus, developing in the womb is cut to pieces and suctioned from the womb, "slaughter" applies..."slaughter" applies when your talking about more than a million lives ended each year.

It's a fact that nearly half of women who have an abortion have a second abortion, it also makes it clear they don't take abortion seriously and no, it's not a mistake to call a woman who resorts to abortion sexually irresponsible...it's the truth, not a "slur." I haven't distorted any facts and an appeal to the hearts and minds of women and men is the only way to stop the killing.

Abortion pushers, like yourself don't have that much on their side....dehumanization and the natural inclination of people to put their own selfish desires ahead of the innocent....it's enough to keep the abortion industry snuffing out about 3,700 lives a day just here in the U.S. I like facts...115 people die each day in car accidents; 1,620 die of cancer each day; 1,675 of heart disease each day here in the U.S. Abortion leads the way in cause of death. At least those who die of cancer, heart disease and car accidents got to experience life.

An emotional appeal only works on those capable of feeling. I'm not on the wrong side of this issue.

 

Lots of emotional hyperbole, little facts.

 

Here is what I don't get?

Why is a woman vilified if a guy shoots his sperm inside her?

Both are responsible.

If you don't want a kid or an abortion...Morning After or Plan B asap....and no issue!!!

What's the big deal???

AboveAlpha

 

Abortion is an emotional issue, and I would like for it to become a more reasonable issue. "Slaughter" is simply another emotional appeal, and it won't work for those who reason. Abortion is an individual decision so an appeal to numbers is irrational.

Women are responsible for birth control for nearly forty years of their lives, and given the current reliability and availability of birth control, it is not surprising that women frequently have more than one unplanned pregnancy. It is a mistake (or just mindless blaming) to call a woman who chooses abortion sexually irresponsible. Birth control fails. Appeals to emotion will not stop abortion. The only proven ways of reducing abortion is comprehensive sex education and easily available, reliable, and affordable contraception.

There you go again with the emotional claptrap, "abortion pushers" indeed! What is it about the word "choice" that's so hard to get? Pro-choicers would like to see the numbers of abortion reduced with education and birth control availability, not by denying women a choice.

An emotional appeal works for the manipulator. An appeal to reason tends to result in a decision that works better for the decision-maker.

 

And if she is unsure but gets pregnant by accident, there are medical procedures for that as well.

 

Much of your argument assumes that a living human exists at all stages of pregnancy.

In the later stages I agree that the entity is indeed a living human.

In the earlier stages ... no way. You do not seem to make this distinction in your post.

 

What about initiatives attempting to force the woman to be well-informed about the decision she is planning on making?
Like requiring her to see the ultrasound, requiring her to be given information about the developmental stage of her fetus at the time of abortion, to be fully informed about the possible risks to her physical and mental health that can be caused by abortion. You do want women to make a fully informed choice, don't you?

 

You don't seem to know what "choice " means nor do you seem to know what "forced" means.


NO one should be FORCED to know every detail of their LEGAL medical procedure and no one else is.

Contrary to what some believe women know what "pregnant" means.

Sure, every woman who wants a baby SHOULD be told every detail of the dangers of pregnancy and childbirth but they aren't. ....and they shouldn't be forced to see and read about every negative factor involved, should they? Of course not.

If they CHOOSE to, like YOU are free to CHOOSE, then they will obtain the information.

 

Artificial abortion of gestation is an emotional issue and artificial abortion of gestation is a moral issue; Just like the death penalty in America. When one human chooses to kill another human who is not attempting to kill, maim, or detain another human, the elective killing is an emotional, moral issue and destroys the honor of the killer if done frivolously or without a reason that is incontrovertibly honorable.

Surgical abortions of gestation are safest when handled by doctors instead of the pregnant female by using a coat-hanger or other instrument.

No honorable doctor will kill a fetal human after detecting a heartbeat today in 2016 but these fetal killings were treated as "legal" by SCOTUS Jan 15, 2016. Doctors who kill fetal humans after detecting a heartbeat are often dishonorable murderers who are not prosecuted by law but at least four were prosecuted by immoral vigilantes. Artificial abortion will never stop and immoral vigilantes will never stop.

Allowing doctors to kill fetal humans after detecting a heartbeat will be addressed in the Presidential debates and will be why a Democrat will NEVER be an honorable U.S. President again.

No Article III judge will ever be appointed who will allow doctors to kill fetal humans after detecting a heartbeat. Still; this should not remain purely a judicial FIAT for much longer.

Killing a fetus to save the life or mental health of the woman is or shall soon be treated as necessary medical procedures and not elected abortions of gestation.

Killing a fetus should be criminal and will become a crime when the United States bans death penalties, as might never occur. Elective killing of a human is dishonorable today.

 

I will take a dishonorable label PROUDLY IF you were correct.....the truly dishonorable are those who wish to take away the rights of others.


Forcing others to accept your morals is dishonorable.....see, everyone can play the name calling game....


Meanwhile , abortion is legal.....

 

Informed consent is one thing, harassment of the pregnant woman is another. Informed consent has been required for medical procedures for years, and no additional requirements are needed for abortion.

 

Then you should have no issue with abortion as it is an act of self-defence by the woman to stop an entity from inflicting non-consented injuries upon her, which is a right that all Americans have under the 2nd Amendment.

Do you consider a person defending themselves as not moral?

BTW I suggest you brush up on the legal justifications of self-defence are because your determination falls short.

Yes they would and quite legally to.

I find it far less honorable to force a woman to remain pregnant.

I have no idea what planet you are living on, it certainly is not Earth.

 

No person should be forced to do any of the above, if she wants to know then fine

Most if not all women are well informed about the decision she is making, to say otherwise assumes that women are stupid.

Are you required to see your x-rays, are you required to see your scans, if not why do you think it is ok to require a woman to see an ultrasound?

Perhaps every woman should be informed of all the things that can go wrong in pregnancy, after all you wouldn't want her not to make an informed choice would you?

 

Use of Plan B or Morning After kills no one!!!

If anything it prevents the possibility of an Abortion somewhere possibly down the line.

Just because something is a living Human Cell or Cells does NOT mean it is a HUMAN BEING!!!

During the course of a day the Human Body loses MILLIONS of viable and healthy HUMAN CELLS...and since we can take any human cells and turn it into a STEM CELL...then turn the stem cells into Egg and Sperm Cell's....and fertilize the egg cell this means that even the cells a person loses every time they DEFECATE are cells that are a POTENTIAL HUMAN BEING!!!

So....are you going to run around at a fair where the Porto-Potties are with plastic bags screaming....."It's not a piece of crap!!! It's a BABY!!!"....?

I think not.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, I agree!

Darn. Are you saying haircuts and manicures are not abortions?

Nice FANTASY!

It is obvious you are not thinking much before you type. I do not think most of your stem-cell claims are anything but fantasy. The porta-potty claim fits in well.

C-ya.

 

Reversing Cell Differentiation.


Until fairly recently, cell differentiation was seen as final and irreversible. Once a cell became specialized, it was referred to as "terminally differentiated." It was considered locked-in and unable to become any other cell type.

However, in 2006, scientists reported that they had turned a differentiated cell back into a stem cell with the potential to become any type of cell in the body.

The difference between a stem cell and a differentiated cell is reflected in the cells' DNA. In a stem cell, the DNA is arranged loosely, with its genes ready to spring into action. As signals enter the cell and differentiation begins, genes that will not be needed are shut down, and genes that will be required for a specialized function remain open and active.

iPS Cells
Scientists noticed a small number of genes that were active only in stem cells and not in differentiated cells. Introducing just 4 of these genes back into differentiated cells made them behave like stem cells. The genes appear to be remodeling the cells' DNA, unlocking the genes that were shut down during differentiation.

The scientists named these cells "induced pluripotent stem cells," or iPS cells. In 2012, they won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their work.

And it's not a Fantasy....it is very real.

AboveAlpha...p.s...Toe Nails and Hair are dead proteins or Keratin.

 

How ironic coming from the same theists that impose "abstinence only" sex ed on schools and object to Obamacare providing contraceptives.

Prevention is better than cure but apparently the anti-rightists object to everything that would reduce abortions and only want to use education as a blunt instrument to cudgel pregnant women into not having abortions irrespective of their ability to care for the child afterwards.