Is Sweden Bracing For War With Russia - Or For A Civil War?

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  1. Canell

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    Italy and Germany consisted of small kingdoms, city-states for a long time, but we don't say they were "balkanized", do we?
    Balkanization refers to the tactics of the Muslims (the Ottoman empire) that they adopted from Rome - "divide and conquer". They kept the "infidel" population of the Balkans divided, so they can easily rule it. They stopped any attempt to unite and fight back. That's why the occasional rebellions were always drowned in blood. Does this make any sense to you?
     
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    lol Another 'shithole' on the world map I shouldn't wonder. Next stop? Sharia law!
     
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    And who said neuro linguistic programming doesn't work?! 'Say something often enough, blah, blah'?
     
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    ? :???::???::???:
     
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    You don't know about the history of Yugoslavia, do you? Islam had a not-so-small part to play in the balkanization of Yugoslavia (which is in the Balkans :wink:).
     
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    You live in the UK, right?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/feb/07/religion.world

    Yes, Europe has an Islamist problem (Islamic fundamentalism). Not as severe as right wing sites claim, but severe enough to have attracted the ire of the moderate British left:
    http://hurryupharry.org/2017/12/14/greater-manchester-police-and-“tolerance”/ (feel free to browse for more)
     
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    We have sharia courts here. Nobody insults women who don't wear hijab (and there are also many Arab women who don't wear the hijab).

    Islam and sharia don't necessarily come with suicide vests and killer trucks attached. I'm no fan of either, but I don't think that panic and intolerance will solve Europe's problems with Islamic fundamentalism.
     
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    Meanwhile Europe needs to be freed from the Russian fake news. The picture in the Duran article shows a scene from the violent protests against labor reforms in France in May 2016. No connection whatsoever with Muslims, no-go zones, Sweden, or illegal immigrants.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...trate-against-anti-cop-hatred-only-to-see-ca/
     
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    Britain has allowed Beth Din courts for over a Century and it is within that context only that Sharia law is allowed. That is by choice only, for family matters only and subservient to UK law always.

    On your other issue Maajid Nawaz is viewed as an anti-muslim extremist by the SPLC

    https://www.splcenter.org/20161025/journalists-manual-field-guide-anti-muslim-extremists#nawaz

    If you see having concerns about someone who is considered an anti Muslim extremist and allowing equality between Muslims and Jews within the UK as a signs of Islamic fundamentalism, then it just shows us where you are at.

    Like most countries we of course do have some issues but what you are suggesting are most certainly not them.
     
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    What a stupid statement claiming that Sweden wants war with Russia...
    Sweden does not want war with Russia any more than it would want war with Antarctica which even most Trump supporters know is an impossibility.
     
  11. Canell

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    Pardon me, but you are wrong. The OP says Sweden is afraid of Russian invasion, not that Sweden wants a war with Russia.
     
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    Putin's contriving to pervert elections in western democracies extends far beyond his propaganda regarding Sweden, of course.

    A coordinated, comprehensive defense of national security that includes all his targeted nations and all his disinformation and social media subterfuges is essential.

    Unwary dupes fall into his traps. Protecting Sweden, Germany, France, Austria, the US, and all nations Putin attempts to pervert is essential, and partisan concerns must not be allowed to compromise national sovereignty.

    Questions need to be asked. Questions need to be answered.

    Russia's Sweden propaganda is just one instance of a comprehensive strategy that must be confronted and exposed.
     
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    The OP has a history of spouting pro Russian nonsense so I have no faith or respect in that posters words.
     
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    Long been known that Russia wants Scandinavia and the Baltic States. I say we expect a war of conquest there with Trump standing by, part of his Quid pro quo for help in getting elected. Putin is getting half the world for some hacking, courtesy of Trump and his Neo friends
     
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    Tolerance is what created the problem in the first place.
     
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    Confronting Putin's perfidy should be a coordinated NATO priority.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The only part Islam had to play in the Balkanization of the...uh... Balkans is that it was one more factor which the people there seized upon to either support or oppose their nationalism. The dominant power in that area, the ones who sat on them and kept the tribes from going at each other, were the TURKS and the Turks are Muslim in the same way the Brits were Anglican, that is, Islam is the STATE religion with the emphasis on the STATE, not the religion. I don't expect you to understand, the fact that religion in most of the world today still mainly buttresses most of the world's governments as their major function isn't something we're taught in High School because we're one of them, and besides, you're a big Deus Vulture believer yourself, aren't you? (No offense)

    Yugoslavia didn't exist until 1919. The name means "South Slavs". It was cobbled together at Versailles, reflecting a belief that the something like 5 nations it had already broken into since the middle-late 19th century would keep on breaking up into smaller and smaller groups and fighting amongst each other until they started another World War, like they pretty much were blamed for in 1914 . When they didn't really have a big part in starting or fighting the next World War the whole concept of Balkanization went back to the drawing board and re-emerged some years later as the theory of "shatter zones", areas where cultures, geography and history have all come together, like the Balkans and Southeast Asia. To be honest I don't know what's come about with that recently. It's probably been used mainly by Neo-Nazis to "prove" that multiculturalism is impossible despite the fact that the most prosperous and powerful country in the world is also the most completely multicultural.
     
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    Putin would probably join NATO if that happened. (Wasn't there actually some talk of that a few years back?)
     
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    Sharia is determined democratically, by vote of the Ulemma (sp) the "Body of Believers". If Islam is not the dominant religion of the area Sharia is synonymous with the prevailing law of the land. Those areas where minorities are demonstrating for "Sharia Law" are areas where minorities are commonly granted their own law in regard to varying customs, frex, like where you have legal polygamy in some areas of the American West. It's not meant to apply to anyone but Muslims in non-Muslim countries and even with Muslims in such countries it's totally voluntary.
     
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    Yeah, exiting Islam is also voluntary. That's why it is punishable by DEATH.

    Oh, man. :alientwo:
     
  21. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Positively:)
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    In some MUSLIM countries only, and even there it is rarely applied.

    In the USA you can be shot dead for stumbling onto someone's property while dazed after an accident, even though you did nothing indicating yourself to be a threat. When in Rome...
     
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    Why don't you read the Quran, it's full of hate speech against the infidels and pagans.
     
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    What an effective infiltration! It would be the logical culmination of his eagerness to participate in the democracies of Western nations!
     
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    Russia would love to annex Scandinavia.
     

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