Trump's latest lie is a "Whopper"

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  1. spiritgide

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    Yes, most people feel that if others acted in the way they wanted them to, the world would be fine, and they know that all the frustrations in their lives are caused by one mans twitter posts.....
    It's so logical, and full justification for all the dems and liibs making total asshats of themselves everyday.
    If just Trump would go away, they could return to the happy ignorance they have known and loved all their lives before.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aside from the compulsive slurs of people who claim that because they are irresponsible haters, how many presidents and congressmen have you ever know that could not be claimed as having said something that was not true???

    Give us the full list. And some kind of rational documentation, not slurs.
     
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    Zero, that doesn’t change a thing I have said.
    Try again
     
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    and these people have the nerve to complain when they are called out for fake news.
     
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    then it should go on the comic page.
     
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    TDS in full effect....the left has gone completely mad
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No need. Everybody but you understands the point.
    If someone says the world is flat, it only means they said the world is flat. Has no impact on fact, only on the credibility of the person saying it.
     
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    I feel like you are trying to make a point in here somewhere.

    But yes I agree, trump has zero credibility
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    However, you have to understand something before you have any capacity to make that conclusion.

    My avatar is Charles Kettering, a prolific inventor and person with great understanding of people as well and mechanical things. One of his famous quotes is

    "Knowledge and understanding are not the same thing. You can know a great deal and understand nothing."

    He should have added, "but of course, you will probably believe you do..."

    Few people understand Trump; his mind works on a level most can't rise to, and he's not about to come down to yours.
     
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    I don’t think his level could drop much further, insults and personal attacks aside, what has he done that makes him such a pioneer? He has taken a fortune given to him and had a return less than just placing it in the stock market and doing nothing.

    He has filed bankruptcy four times and has numerous failed personal ventures including trump steaks, trump university, trump charities and so on that simply existed to defraud people. Not to mention the contractors and employees (both legal and illegal) that he has fleeced.

    The quote you posted is ironic as you are speaking of yourself and don’t even realize it.
     
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    There's truly something to say when a Press is incapable of even
    letting a celebtration be non-political.That virtually every thing this
    President says is BaD and needs to be Fact-checked.
    The reason is simple.Because this is a constant attempt to prepare
    for the day Obama might be Investigated for his DEEP STATE and
    outrageously commonplace scandals that went Unchecked.
    Plus how he virtually Ignored the Benghazi attack.
    The MSM and Press are dutifully trying to make fashionable the
    notion that President Trump is a LIAR.About virtually any and all things.
    This is what Obama helped create.He helped create the use of
    Fact-checking in order to get his skinny self out from under the cloud
    of his place of Birth.In fact,it was FactCheck.org { Annenberg Project }
    site who released his COLB in June of 2008.
    Make popular the notion that Trump is a Liar.So when in the near future
    we have to take on Obama and his constant stream of Lies { that went
    unchecked and unreported like his Long-Form BC } it will seem
    uncouth talking about all those Obama Lies.
    Therefore Make popular and talk incessantly about Trump as a Liar.
    Trump is NO Liar.He Boosts and exaggerates.Big Difference.
     
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    First of all, this is not about Obama. This is about Trump and to try and compare is ridiculous. Obama and George H. W. Bush made promises that they intended to keep because they were honorable men. However, both of these honorable men were also pragmatic
    and realized that they could not make some things happen due to circumstances like no congressional support, or the state of the nation, etc. Pragmatism is a crucial character trait to have in a president since the atmosphere is always changing.
    Trump is not an honorable man and has not one ounce of pragmatism in his body. He is a con-man as he has shown in his previous life. Trump makes promises that he knows will be eaten for lunch by his base whether they are realistic or not. He doesn't think before speaking. For example, the remark "Nobody knows more about technology than me" tells me that he has done 0 research on technology relative to border security. His remark that "I know more than the Generals" is an insult to military people and he has no clue and no plan. His promise to develop a cheaper, better health plan, shore up social security and Medicare was a big nothing and are on the verge of collapse. And let's not forget the wall that Mexico is not going to pay for. Ronald Reagan knew what he did not know and brought brilliant and experienced people into his inner circle to advise him on what he needs to know. Trump, on the other hand, brings all these unethical, unqualified crooks into his inner circle who tell him what he wants to hear instead of what he needs to hear. He doesn't discuss policy with the few qualified people that he had and now they have all quit. He makes all major decisions without any advice and very often his decisions are mindboggling. He is a devout narcissist, is divisive and devoid of conscience and empathy, and has a personality disorder that manifests itself on a daily basis. It is always about him. He sidles up to dictators, denigrates our allies and is destroying our leadership position in the world. His isolationist policy has given new life to our adversaries. His tariff war has done us no good. In fact, companies are being squeezed and some are already leaving. Welcome to the real world.
     
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    And you prove every day that _____ ______ _____ _____ ____ __________ _________ ________ ___ __________ __________ !!

    I did the mods a favor and censored myself first...
     
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    Sorry Bub,that ain't about to fly.Not with the American Populace.
    Maybe with Loonybird Democrats and RINO's.
    How come this corrupt MSM isn't making bones about the time in
    2012 Obama visited Russia and was caught off mic making a
    an Assurance about how he'll " have more flexibility after the election ".
    he meant his Election in 2012.He made that assurance to Russian
    President Medvedev in order to help pass it along to Vladimir Putin.
    WHY No one in this stinkin' MSM wants to bring that up.HuH ?
    Right there ... Automatic Collusion.
     
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    Trump has been quite successful in fulfilling his campaign promises for the people of the US that wanted a departure from a dismal Progressive course.

    You are obviously not one of those people.

    But many are seeing the light and rejecting the propaganda.
     
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    Those are only the facts. If you want alternative facts, listen to Trump. What Obama said was not worth a sht. Did he act on it? No. keep on pluggin.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ever done anything remotely equivalent to Trumps achievements? I don't mean on his scale, but similar in risk and challenge?
    I'm currently running the seventh business I have founded since I started 50 years ago. It's a small but profitable business, with clientele in more than 110 countries and distributors on three continents. Three of the six men in my immediate family have become millionaires as a result of two of these businesses and our investing.

    My first business failed- the rest succeeded. that is a 14% failure rate. Trumps rate is about 1%, because of the vast size of his enterprises.
    His fathers fortune was several hundred million- but was divided 5 ways. However, for people like Trump, the inheritance just moves the starting point up the ladder a bit. The real proof is in what the person does with it. Trump used it to build, while he could have laid back and done nothing for life. Are you aware that most lottery winners wind up bankrupt?

    A gift of money does not make you a success- only temporarily rich, and more likely to fail.
     
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    I am not going to discuss my personal achievements as they are personal anecdotes and thus logical fallacies. I could say I am a trillionare from the future...

    Back to trump, I will need a source on the 1% failure rate — and even then it doesn’t disprove that he could have taken the wealth given to him and simply invested it with a greater return that he has done currently. Meaning he has actually lost money along the way

    As to what he has done with his wealth; he has left a trail of bankruptcy and of unpaid employees, vendors and contractors.

    It’s an absurd notion to suggest that large sums of money make you more likely to fail, especially when you were brought up with money and financial advisers.
    A lotto win isn’t comparable to intergenerational wealth.
     
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    And Trump has not been quite successful. His departure from a "dismal Progressive course" has been dismal.
     
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    Did Obama,the Monster President act on his pledge to reduce
    healthcare premiums by an average of $ 2,500 a year per family.
    And If you like yer doctor and health plan,you can keep it.
    Did Obama,act on the Terrorist for American held prisoner
    Ransom with Iran.
     
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    The "monster" currently occupies the Mara Largo golf course on weekends at a cost of 3.6 million dollars a pop. Oh, I'm sorry. He is alone at home in the White House, suffering. He is keeping his pledge of weekends at the Whitehouse
    working for the people, and no golf.
    Did Obama make mistakes? Ya! No doubt. I admit that, for sure. Now, how about
    your president's foul-ups?
     
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    Look up Trump enterprises on Wikipedia. It list most of what you want to know; he has 500 companies that are wholly owned, but there are many more where he is major partner. I think there are 6 bankruptcies- none are his personally, they are corporations that failed. 6 in 600- 1%.
    50% of all start-up businesses fail within 5 years. About 90% in 10. Google it, it's fact.

    Any kind of un-earned wealth is more likely to be lost than earned wealth- for two reasons. First, what you get without working for it is usually not valued or respected, and secondly- IF you don't have excellent fiscal management abilities, the people who see the money and want it will con you out of it quickly. Takes no-how, financial and business savvy to keep it and build it. Many children who inherit wealth go through it like a lawn mower- loving to spend, not thinking it will ever run out. Others more prudent just live on it, perhaps use some investment service to manage it. You never hear anything about Trump's siblings, which all inherited equally. They have not been huge builders, but have taken care of business well. I think the poorest of them is still worth $50M.

    In addition, Trump DOES have stock investments. Bear in mind that in most of the companies he owns, the ownership is as stock in the corporation, meaning he has invested in his own holdings. He does however have conventional public stocks too, and from what I can find, they are diversified. Forbes and some of the financial publications report on this from time to time.

    As for bankrupt lottery winners, it makes perfect sense. When you fall into more money than you could even imagine, it seems like it could never run out, and thus it gets handled very poorly. It's not just bankruptcy, often it results in people becoming involved with drugs, or creating such a huge ongoing cost of living that it's being drained before they realize it. One of the easiest things to get addicted to is spending money- nobody is immune; it takes a special and rare kind of person to remain grounded. Do your homework; it's fact.

    Why do 70 percent of lottery winners end up bankrupt?
    https://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/01/why_do_70_percent_of_lottery_w.html
     
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    Try looking at what this man has done for the country instead of his meaningless lies. Most of them is to embellish what he has done and I think that's because the bias press won't tell it. Obama has done his share of lying, although not nearly as much.
     
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    Would you like to compare the foul-ups between the two? Maybe also the promises they kept? How about the good they have done for the country.
     
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    I get how this works.Donald Trump enters the White House
    and each year loses net worth.Plus he donates his POTUS salary
    to charity.
    The Obamas,however Profit during their stay at the White House
    by Vacationing on the public dime.And now getting a contract from
    Netflix worth around $ 100 million and his unwritten book deal around
    $ 60 Mil.
    Same crap Pelosi pulled.Enters as a Pol and Profits handsomely.
     

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