How Did Donald Trump cheat in the 2016 election?

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  1. Dayton3

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    It has been repeatedly claimed in the impeachment trial that Donald Trump "cheated" in the 2016 election and would certainly do it again. I've heard the same claim repeatedly on line.

    How?

    I will freely acknowledge that the Russians wanted Trump to win and I'll freely admit that the Russians tried to help Donald Trump win. I'll even acknowledge the possibility that Donald Trump knew about this assistance and welcomed it. I don't take his comment about the Russians finding Hillary's emails to be even remotely serious though.

    But how did he actually "cheat"? Were any votes actually changed? Were the vote totals at any precincts altered in any way? I've yet to hear how despite the Russians best efforts anything actually happened in the 2016. Much less anything major enough to change the outcome of the national election.
     
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    To some, the notion of civic nationalism is so foreign that only blaming evil russians helps them understand.

    I mean who wouldn't want a global government...
     
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    I don’t think he cheated. Putin is too smart to involve Trump. But I think it is very telling that our biggest geopolitical rival took extraordinary steps to get Trump elected.
     
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    You personally know Putin?
     
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    He cheated by having the audacity to defeat a bad opponent after the Left was ready to declare her a queen. That was the great crime. Ultimately that was why he was impeached.
     
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    It would appear that all good leftists know Putin. Why else would they look for him under their bed and in their closet every night before going to sleep?
     
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    "How"... in 2020 is what Congress is investigating. And making tremendous finds.

    In 2016 it was nowhere near as flagrant as this. But he and his campaign most definitely cheated. And what we know is that his campaign was involved in cheating. Just a few of many examples....

    Mueller (Page 32): The investigation identified two different forms of connections between the IRA and . members of the Trump Campaign. (The investigation identified no similar connections between the IRA and the Clinton Campaign .) First, on multiple occasions, members and surrogates of the Trump Campaign promoted-typically by linking, retweeting , or similar methods of reposting pro-Trump or anti-Clinton content published by the IRA through IRA-controlled social media accounts.

    Mueller (Page 59): Donald Trump Jr. had direct electronic communications with WikiLeaks during the
    campaign period.

    However, most of this is redacted (HOM). And to believe that Trump didn't know about it is ludicrous. I don't think that his "Russia, if you're listening" was some sort of "coordination". But it's not impossible. And even if not a coordination, a message he hoped would move the Russians to act. Which, in fact, it did.

    There is, of course, another form of cheating about which Trump most definitely knew and actively participated in.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...f24b76-fe49-11e8-83c0-b06139e540e5_story.html

    There is no doubt that Trump cheated. Was this what got him elected? Probably not. But looks like, from this, he understood the power of cheating, and decided to go all in this time around.

    Bottom line, our electoral system is one of the most precious things our people has. And even an attempt to subvert it should be completely rejected by any patriotic American.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't have to personally know him to estimate his intelligence.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    You MUST be joking.

    Hillary got $145,000,000 from Russia and Trump got $4,500 in facebook ads.
     
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    How so?
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously our biggest geopolitical rival does not have our best interests in mind.
     
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    Yes, Putin went all out and spent literally 0.00000002% of the entire amount spent on the election.
     
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    Do you really think that the efforts by the Russians actually changed the election so that Trump won? Just to be specific, do you think Clinton would have won if it weren't for the Russians?
     
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    More Putin praise from Democrats

    :roflol: posting memes on Facebook

    Don't take these people seriously...
     
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    Democrats think very highly of Putin. They are like his PR machine.
     
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    I agree. Democrats definently don't have America's interests in mind.
     
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    BT, Before Trump, the Military Industrial Pentagonal Complex had issued a casting call for the USA as Oceania, Russia as Eurasia, and was looking to choose some damn place for Eastasia all in the service of eternal wars.
     
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    More Putin praise.
     
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    :roflol:

    Huh?

    That RW Fantasy (About $145 Million) has been Completely DEBUNKED 1000x Over.

    It is unfathomable that anyone would even mention that Debunked BS in any section other than Conspiracy or Humor.

    Now back to the OP, as far as Trump "Cheating" in 2016.

    1) It is completely undeniable that Russia intervened in 2016 to help Trump and hurt Clinton.

    2) See #1)

    Anyway, whether or not he "cheated", it won't cost him one vote in 2020.:salute:
     
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    Clinton was going down slow, couldn't work much, couldn't travel much, tired, low energy.
     
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    I am acknowledge that he is a formidable enemy. That beats underestimating him.
     
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    Yeah, she pretty much stopped campaigning towards the end compared to Trump. I bet she has some serious health issues that we don't know about.
     
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    Sounds like praise to me. I hear Putin praise from Democrats all the time. I bet they would vote for Putin over trump.
     
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    Got a link for that?
     
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    What they said about Hillary was true and the Russians really succeeded in assisting Trump to become the POTUS, he is a Russian endorsed US President that will certainly propel their very own national interest and agenda. But it is still cheating because the information about Hillary was not taken legally.
     

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