How Did Donald Trump cheat in the 2016 election?

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  1. Lesh

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    I'll even acknowledge the possibility that Donald Trump knew about this assistance and welcomed it. Even asked for it and strategized around it

    Hard to argue any of that when it happened in plain sight and was documented in the Mueller Report

    So you claim you know more than the FBI?
     
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    Can you detail what those steps were? Can you find one voter that was influenced by the Russians? What is telling is you have fallen for the democrats line. Anytime someone claims someone cheated, or had illegal help, in a contest they should have solid proof. Otherwise they are just a proven sore loser.
     
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    "The National Enquirer’s parent company acknowledged paying hush money to a woman who alleged an affair with Donald Trump to “suppress the woman’s story” and “prevent it from influencing the election.”


    Would you admit it's just as likely he did it to keep his wife from finding out? It's no secret that most Presidents had a lot more going for them than paying prostitutes. It's know that Roosevelt and Ike both had mistresses. That Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton also had affairs. I would think paying a prostitute would mean almost nothing to the general public, compared to affairs. But might just gget the wife mad as hell.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

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    It's possible.

    Facebook Now Says Russian Disinfo Reached 150 Million Americans

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/facebook-now-says-russian-disinfo-reached-150-million-americans
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    The WashPost's Philip Bump did the math about Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin back during the transition:

    • "Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."
    • "But for 79,646 votes cast in those three states, she'd be the next president of the United States."
     
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  5. Lee Atwater

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    You just answered your own question.

    Then, there's.................

    FBI documents point to Trump role in hush money for porn star Daniels
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ush-money-for-porn-star-daniels-idUSKCN1UD18D

    "Cohen, 52, pleaded guilty in August 2018 to violating campaign finance law by directing the payment to Daniels as well as another payment of $150,000 to Playboy model Karen McDougal shortly before the election.

    Both women have said they had sexual encounters with Trump more than a decade ago and that the money was meant to buy their silence. Trump has denied the encounters and in 2018 told reporters he knew nothing about a payment to Daniels.

    The newly unredacted material includes a 19-page section of the FBI’s search warrant application with the heading: “The Illegal Campaign Contribution Scheme.” It shows Cohen having multiple interactions with Trump and Trump’s campaign staff as Cohen was negotiating the payoff with Daniels’ lawyer and executives of American Media Inc, publisher of the National Enquirer tabloid newspaper."
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    Paying hush money to Daniels and McDougal was a clear act of defrauding (cheating) the voters of the US.
     
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    It might be because Putin simply crooked a finger in his direction and then Barack Obama went down on him. That seemed to awe certain leftists for some reason.
     
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    So...........your argument is Trump didn't cheat because......................you have a twisted, fact free notion about Obama? Got it.
     
  8. Marine1

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    Wanted to talk about cheating and help, Hillary should have never been allowed to run if not for the traitors at the FBI, looking over her crimes of constant lying and destroying 32,000 E-mails she was ordered to turn in, some with classified material on them.

    Grilling Comey over Hillary's E-mails

     
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    The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

    "The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College."
     
  10. Gatewood

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    That's what you got from that? Interesting. It explains so much.
     
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    Remember people... when Democrats/neo-communist talk about Russians interference they are talking about memes posted on the "internet" Democrats don't like.

    Democrats see the Internet control the Chinese Democrats have in China and are hella jealous. Democrats want to use the excuse of election interference (ads on the internet Democrats don't like) to impose Chinese Democrat style censorship on the American people. Sites like this will be hardest hit.
     
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    Democrats really hate freedom of speech on the "world wide web "
     
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    "Trump cheating with Russia" has been a relatively effective DNC and Hillary Clinton conspiracy theory for the left.

    Hillary knew that Trump International (the Trump family business) had legitimate business interests in Russia. Needless to say, Trump and his children would have business relationships with multiple Russian government officials and high-level businessmen.

    Hillary also knew that Russia has tried to interfere in every single U.S. election for at least the last 100 years, and that they were hacking into our internet.

    So she and the DNC pays former British spy Steele to go put together a bunch of non-verifiable "Russia connection" stories about Trump, the Steele Dossier...and tie the stories of Trump's connections and Russian hacking into a "Trump colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election" story.

    Even the leaking of Hillary's emails played into Hillary's story about "Trump - Russia". The leaks helped Hillary and the surrounding media narrative made the Trump campaign look more "suspicious".

    Democrats are still getting a lot of mileage out of that fake dossier even after Mueller spent 2 years and tens of millions of dollars to find "No collusion" and that no member of Trump's campaign team was involved in any 2016 cheating with Russia. The story works because the Democrat's gullible voting base wants to believe it.
     
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    Just by voicing their opinions across the Internet they serve as the best possible recruiters for the GOP.
     
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    I'm not talking about his letter. She openly lied a number of times, had classified E-mails on her phones and destroyed E-mails she was to turn in. Any of those would have Trump impeached or jail time. She should have been charged.
     
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    That's why the American people voted for Trump.
     
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    He cheated by winning fair and square, that's not how they do business in Democrat land.
     
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    What is telling is you have fallen for the Trumpist line. We don't know what we don't know.

    How Much Did Russian Interference Affect The 2016 Election?
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-interference-affect-the-2016-election/

    "But if it’s hard to prove anything about Russian interference, it’s equally hard to disprove anything: The interference campaign could easily have had chronic, insidious effects that could be mistaken for background noise but which in the aggregate were enough to swing the election by 0.8 percentage points toward Trump — not a high hurdle to clear because 0.8 points isn’t much at all."
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    We can not say with certainty Russia's efforts swung the election to the Divider-in-Chief's just as we can't say they didn't. But we can say he welcomed, encouraged, and solicited the help.
     
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    The Trump campaign didn't do anything wrong.

    Hillary is her own worst enemy.
     
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    Soliciting the transfer of dirt on Hillary to the campaign offered by the Russian government wasn't wrong? Not letting the FBI know about multiple contacts between Russian operatives and campaign members wasn't wrong? Not publicly condemning the release of hacked (illegally stolen) materials given to Wikileaks by the Russian government as part of Russia's attempt to interfere in the election wasn't wrong?
     
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    Absolutely not! There is zero indication of that. Cohen's recorded call and testimony is evidence to the contrary. And we also know now that Melania couldn't care less.
     
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    I think this oft repeated assertion is wrong. There is no way that Russia would want an unpredictable candidate that was running on the notion of reasserting American dominance and pushing for a massive increase in defense spending. He is the absolute LAST thing that they would want in an American leader.

    As they always do, they were trying to sow uncertainty into the Democratic process. Like everyone else, they too undoubtedly assumed that Hillary would win. To whatever extent that they propped up Trump ( with insignificant resources),surely it was because they were trying to harm who they assumed would win, which was Hillary Clinton.

    To say that they wanted Trump to win, from a logical perspective, does not make any sense. If you want to parse words and say that they helped Trump to win, that could be true because they assumed Hillary WOULD win, but not that they WANTED him to win. The only thing they wanted was to create uncertainty. It makes no sense at all to conclude that Trump is what they would want.


    BTW...yes i am aware that some Congressional committee stated something along these lines. It was out of context, and Democrats have seized upon it ever since.
     
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    I don't think we know that at all. Sense it's a possibility, that has to be considered.
     
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    You should call Vladimir Putin immediately to advise him of these things. Perhaps he'll decide to assist the Democrat this time.
     

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