No one is pro-abortion. Pro-choicers don't attempt to decide who is born and who is aborted; a woman's reproductive choices are hers alone. Pro-lifers are the ones who want to make those very personal decisions for all women, and THAT is disgusting.
When human life has no determined value, how would you know if it were devalued? Maybe it has only potential value. Maybe its value is subjective. Maybe you are inflating it. Unwanted pregnancy is an accident, and responsible people have them. You are trivializing pregnancy and childbirth by suggesting it is a mere "inconvenience." Every pregnancy is a threat to the life and health of the woman, and birth control is not so easily available to some, and neither is it 100% effective. There have always been abortions and there always will be, because women have a tendency to believe they have the right to control what happens to their own bodies. Having an abortion is being responsible. Why do you want irresponsible women to be mothers? I can't take you seriously as long as you refer to pregnancy and childbirth as a personal "inconvenience." Have you tried it? Legal abortion as an option for 9 year old victim of incest is a good thing. Abortion as an option for a middle-aged woman having already raised her family is a good thing. Abortion as an option for a victim of domestic violence is a good thing. Having abortion as an option because we respect women and their right to bodily autonomy and self determination is a good thing. Forcing women to risk their health, lives and permanently damage their bodies does not show great respect for them. Any sane person can see that.
You insist that women have been brainwashed so yes you don't think women are individuals who can think for themselves. WHO "brainwashed" women 100 years ago? They had abortions then. WHO "brainwashed " women 600 years ago??? They had abortions then. WHO "brainwashed" them 1000 years ago? They had abortions then...
Since abortion is no longer thought of as 'nasty' I'd still have to say yes. You look upon it as 'progress' I look upon it as the lowering of moral standards. Right here on this Forum we have people stating that abortion is good and the pregnancy is bad. (dangerous they say) At least back then people had the morality to know that killing a developing human being for convenience sake was morally objectionable.
Your wriggle won't work....YOU have no way of knowing what every person throughout history thought of abortion. There were times when it was just done, without some weirdos proclaiming that it's IMMORAL!, it's NOT IMMORAL ! You have all the freedom you want to worry about other people's morals but NO right whatsoever to force your morals on anyone else. You STILL can't explain how women are "brainwashed" Abortion is neither good nor bad, it just is. What IS good is women having the choice. And pregnancy can be dangerous and does cause permanent damage to a woman's body.
And your "moral standards" are based on what? Nothing more than a personal belief from religious dogma (not even scripture). Anti-abortion laws are clearly immoral forcing women like cattle to gestate and birth an unwanted child at a risk to their bodies and health. Just like rape and slavery, forcing a woman to use her body against her will is immoral. Legal abortion is a good thing, banning it is bad. No one said pregnancy is bad, just that it is more dangerous than abortion, and because it is undeniably a health risk, you can't morally force a woman to complete a pregnancy. You believe a fertilized egg is a person, and I don't. What makes your opinion morally superior to mine?
I'm not against abortion, I'm against the lowering of traditional moral standards to the point where a developing human life is worthless. Abortion is not a 'good thing' it is the killing of a developing human being. Moreover the left sells it to young girls as if it entails nothing more than the removal of some cells. I never said a fertilized egg is a person I said it is a developing human being. You are trying to denigrate pregnancy by foisting supposed stats that purport to prove that it is more 'dangerous' than abortion. This is disingenuous at best considering there would be no human beings without it. The sheer overwhelming numbers of live births vs. the number of abortions going back as far as we know human history shows how completely unsupported your line of reason is on this subject. Rabid Pro-Choicers push this load bull-crap for political purposes and once their brainwashing sets-in, no amount of convincing, explaining, urging, etc. will change their minds. They are pre-programmed by the radical left even before their first sexual experience.
OOOH, it's all a big conspiracy started by the Evil Left...about 10,000 years ago...Oh We ARE Powerful!!! Hear us roar. Now PROVE pregnancy does no harm to a woman's body.
Why do you insist women are so stupid that they can be brainwashed to do something women have been doing for centuries, that does not make sense. Liberals did NOT invent abortion and have NO reason to push it at anyone. Why would they? It's the Anti-Choicers who are the control freaks.
Who established those "traditional moral standards"? What a coincidence, it was religious leaders who have espoused a submissive role for women. Abortion doesn't kill a human being, in most cases it is a developing embryo. I haven't seen any commercials for abortion, where are you seeing those? I'm not denigrating pregnancy in any way. I'm only opposed to forced continuation of pregnancy, and why would it not be more dangerous than abortion? It is a 9 month process involving a whole new organ and rearrangement of others to accommodate the growing fetus, followed by the birth process, the point when women can die from the trauma. No, the number of women who have died from abortions are compared to the number of women who have died from pregnancy complications. It's that simple.
What is "chilling" is realizing that a significant proportion of the raging masses is so easily brainwashed by man made religious doctrine. Now this if anything is similar to the sheep that followed Adolf. Same sheep different ideology. What is perhaps more chilling is that the error in your claim of Genocide has been pointed out to you numerous times, you have never been able to refute these refutations to your claim, and yet you still continue making the same claim. That is not only chilling but truly scary. It is one thing to be fooled by fallacious logic and invalid arguments. It is quite another to continue believing in fallacy after it has been clearly pointed out. This type of willful self delusion is sad commentary on humanity in general.
Your inferred claim that you have some kind of moral high-ground on morality is unsubstantiated. "Back Then" it was thought to be completely moral to kill innocent women, children and babies "in the name of God". Then there is the problem of applying "morality" to entities that can not be shown to be living humans. On some level one can probably make some kind of sane argument on the basis of "potential". That the potential for a human to be created, or rather denial of this potential is somehow morally objectionable. This gets a bit bizarre though as it seems to lead to the idea that not "maximizing this potential" is morally objectionable. What follows from this reasoning can get quite bizarre.
Good gracious .. what on earth is a developing human life ? Can a human life even be said to "develop" ? I think you are confusing the term "human life" with the phrase "a human life". Can {a human life = the life of a human} exist if a living human does not exist ?
A human life in the process of developing. You can't be that stupid. Can you? Yes, a human life can be said to develop. Frankly it is you who seems to be confused with that convoluted statement. Are you having a nice debate with yourself? Bless your heart.
Err...Remember abortion was ILLEGAL back then? Or will you now attempt to rewrite history to your own liking? My guess is the latter. You don't have to 'proclaim' that the killing of a human fetus for convenience sake is immoral...It just is to anyone with any kind of human morality. I'm not forcing my morals on anyone. I am offering my opinion on the sad state of morality and the women who leave a trail of dead fetuses in the wake of their convenience as instructed to by rabid 'pro-choicers' who seem to always foist the banner of abortion (the killing of fetuses) as somehow 'good' for society. It is quite difficult to convince the brainwashed they are actually brainwashed. Driving a car can be dangerous as well......Maybe everyone should walk everywhere? Tell you what, next time someone you know is pregnant and their water breaks, just tell them to walk to the nearest ER. Hey, maybe she'll spontaneously abort right there on the sidewalk...Another 'victory' for pro-choicers.
Don't blame me for your lack of clarity or ability to explain what you mean. Are you talking about the development of a human cell ? this is a human life. What do you mean by " a human life" Explain what you mean. Of course I am confused because have not clarified what you mean. Do you mean "the life of a human" or are you referring to development of life that is human ?
Right, because lefties don't push for greater access to contraception and family planning services or anything. Or greater access to sexual education. As far as abortion clinics being in black and hispanic communities, is this universal across ALL black and hispanic communities or is this something you tend to find only in the poorer areas? Because economic concerns are one of the primary reasons for a woman to consider abortion so you would kind of expect to find those services in areas that aren't well-to-do. Let me ask you this? How many discount bargain stores or low quality used car lots do you find in rich white upscale neighborhoods? Probably not many because those aren't the people who have need of those types of places, they can afford to go to better stores and probably aren't buying their cars from a car lot that's had the same rusty 1973 Chevelle in the front yard for years(Yes, this is a local place for me that I am speaking of). Does that make this a liberal conspiracy to only sell cheap used cars and Chinese knock-offs to poor folks and minorities too? Economic situations, not skin color, are going to determine by far where abortion clinics are going to be found.
