adam lanza used an assault rifle

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    what is it you're resisting so adamantly? i don't get it
     
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    There has been a lot of bad reporting due to networks wanting to get anything out without waiting for any vetting of the information.
     
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    I watched most of the Sunday Talk Shows and didn't hear it mentioned.

    Maybe you could provide a source.
     
  4. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    your posts prior to the recent election suggest that you're not such a good judge of network reporting accuracy
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well then the media LIED.It was reported that she taught at the school.
    The AP allowed it to get out that Nancy Lanza,Adam's mom was a kindergarten
    teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary.
    Now why do you presuppose that was factually reported.
    Probably to help the narrative about things,as a 2 nd shooter.
    That way to make any notion of a 2nd shooter go away as quickly as reported
    also.And then the pressure to have any witness,even the children from Sandy Hook
    feel funny about reporting things as to a 2nd strange person dressed in black.
     
  6. Professor Peabody

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    23 hours ago – VIDEO: Texas Drunken Driving Suspect's Baby In Messy Back Seat ... A .223-caliber rifle was found in the back of the car that Lanza drove to ...

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/connecticut-school-shooting-17982240



    1 day ago – Apparently they found a shotgun and a rifle in the back seat of his car, NOT in the school. Now who would have buzzed in someone carrying a ...

    http://www.wyff4.com/Official-More-...acre/-/9324882/17779158/-/nvfhhc/-/index.html



    1 day ago – At least three guns were found — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car, ...

    Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that Lanza killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, then drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms. Nancy Lanza was a part-time substitute at the school, according to a parent.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2012/12/connecticut_shooting_gunman_ad.html



    At the school, Adam Lanza got out of the car armed with two weapons -- a Sig Sauer semiautomatic pistol and a Glock 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol, law enforcement sources said.

    “Both are able to inflict heavy damage,” one of the sources said. Adam Lanza left a third weapon in the back seat of the car: a Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle. All three weapons were legally registered to his parents, who are divorced.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...-answers-in-massacre-20121214,0,7067825.story


    23 hours ago – Mr. Lanza's body was found close to the rifle and two handguns he carried, ... 30 years old, held back tears as he spoke of his murdered daughter, ... an assault rifle had been discovered in a car in the school's parking lot. ... both of whom where killed, leapt from their seats and ran out to help, Ms. Day said.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324481204578181214172789922.html


    1 day ago – The first official said Adam Lanza is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot ... Three guns were found at the scene - a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols - and a .223-caliber rifle. The rifle was recovered from the back of a car at the school. .... with tears rolling down her face walked by carrying a car seat with a ...

    http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/dec/...cticut-elementary-school-shooting-ar-2417132/


    The 20-year-old killer, carrying at least two handguns, committed suicide at the school, bringing the death toll to 28, authorities said.

    Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that Lanza killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, then drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ob...n+kills+including+children/7700137/story.html



    1 day ago – Gunman now identified as 20-year-old Adam Lanza ... suicide at the school, and another person was found dead at a second scene, ... both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car. ... Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by carrying a car seat with a young ...

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...SITE=WJARTV&SECTION=NATIONAL&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
     
  7. L Bo

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    Who said I am resisting anything?

    You started a new thread for "all those who said" he didn't use a rifle. I simply said it was reported by all news outlets two handguns were found inside the school, there was no report of a rifle found inside. It wasn't until late yesturday, after the Medical Examiner spoke, that the rifle was reported to be inside the school. Not a single story before this ME report had the rifle inside the school, all reported the rifle was found inside the trunk of the car. There is a video of a "long gun" being found inside the trunk as reported. Only after this ME report did we learn of the rifle inside the school, and the one shown on video being pulled from the trunk is actually a fourth gun at the school.

    With that being said, and the amount of mus-information and story changing going on, it's easy to see why "those people" in "the other thread" said Lanza didn't use a rifle.
     
  8. dujac

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    what's the point of that litany?
     
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    Link? Cheap shot from a cheap shooter.
     
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    Yeah.. I think its to be expected.
     
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    How in the world did a weapon used by the shooter who was found dead at the scene
    work it's way back to the gunman's car.
    I smell SO many rats here.
     
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    Again, there has been lots of bad reporting on this.
     
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    I don't understand what difference that makes. Are you saying we shouldn't try to exercise any control over who is able to get these guns because the guns themselves are "innocent"? Guns are MADE TO KILL. They have no other purpose. You buy a gun because you expect (hope?) that one day you'll have to use it to shoot someone. I also don't understand why someone needs an "automatic/semi-automatic DEER GUN". Hunters don't spray a deer with bullets, do they? If so, that shows a "sick mind", too, IMO. I'm picturing spraying a tree with automatic gunfire to kill any squirrels that might be hiding there, or shooting into a flock of wild turkeys and blowing feathers and parts all over the woods. That isn't hunting as I understand the concept.

    I heard this morning that Lanza used the gun to blow open the door and break into the school. He couldn't have done that with a butcher knife and he couldn't have shot down the principal and others in the hallway with a knife. If he'd had a knife or other weapon, school personnel might have been able to overwhelm him before he did so much damage - and for sure, he wouldn't have been able to stab 20 6/7 year-olds as many as 11 times each while at the same time, kill 5 full grown adults. The thought of him standing in a doorway and spraying bullets from an automatic weapon back and forth across a room full of small children is sickening. The gun he used may not have been to blame but it certainly was fulfilling its purpose in being.

    But we're to hold these murderous weapons blameless because - bless their little hearts - it simply isn't their fault. We're to hold the "sick individual" to account. Who do we blame for the fact that those weapons are freely available to anybody and everybody, that no laws prevent unstable and sick people from getting their hands on them and using the "blameless weapons" to slaughter rooms full of people within a very few minutes? Everybody who buys a gun isn't a "responsible, law-abiding gun owner". There's no accounting for impulsive or bad-tempered people who are likely to misuse a gun in a public place. And ANYBODY - responsible or insane or whatever - can buy any kind of weapon and ammunition they want at the gun shows so prevalent across the country.

    In the last week or so, a father shot and killed his 7-year-old son with a handgun he had just purchased in a gun shop and didn't know enough about guns to make sure it was unloaded or not to point it at his child or to keep his finger off the trigger while he was carrying it. But I'm sure he would have been considered a "responsible, law-abiding gun owner" by the gun idolaters. I suspect he spends every day now trying to remember why he thought getting a gun was so important.
     
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    so you agreed with the networks that put obama ahead of romney?
     
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    I only agreed that the polls put them close and never, I mean never made a prediction of who would win because of that.
     
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    NO ... actually it's NOT to be expected.It is Bad Journalism.You never run with a
    serious story until things are checked and rechecked and corraborated as best one can.
    News rooms used to hold back on stories just to make sure.
    Noiw we have a New media just itching to report things that help a narrative.
    Like in Zimmerman/Trayvon.That Trayvon was just walking home.WRONG.
    That there was no Confrontation. WRONG.
    That Zimmerman was never bloodied. WRONG.
    This new media is trying to hoodwink/steer the public.That is Propaganda.
    That is what occurs in 3rd world Banana republics.
     
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    So... nobody really knows anything....conflicting reports after conflicting reports.
    Such would never stop the politically motivated totalitarian from immediately jumping on the ban "assault" rifles band wagon.

    "Never let a crisis..(real or invented)...go to waste"
     
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    i didn't say you made a prediction, did i?



    you didn't watch the video in the op link, did you?


    that's not how it is in the real world, even in the past it wasn't like that
     
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    Anna.. we will have more guns NOT less.

    Every shooting like this creates a spike in gun sales.

    The answer may be MORE well trained security and armed security in all schools.
     
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    Because, now all of a sudden, the story changes again and there are 4 weapons! No longer 3.

    Interesting to note the police on the scene reported 2 handguns in real time, at 11:35AM, but no mention of a rifle.

    See post 17 and 18 here; http://forums.radioreference.com/co...55363-newtown-school-shooting-12-14-12-a.html

    What happened with the guy found in the woods, handcuffed and took in for questioning? He disappeared and the media doesn't seem interested.

    There is a lot with this entire event that doesn't sit well with me, and it goes beyond the constant story changing going on. I have never seen such bad reporting.
     
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    Not at all. Exercise as much control as you want in that area but do not ban them. Put a year waiting period on them or force people to have psychological evaluations before they purchase one. Simply trying to ban them makes no sense however.

    The Constitution says we are allowed to have them but it doesn't mention regulation of them. Feel free to try out whatever you want in regards to this.

    And yes, sometimes when your hunting for a purpose you simply want the critter dead so dump as much firepower onto as you can. I don't hunt rattlesnakes with a sniper rifle to be neat, I run up to it and blast it with my shotgun until I'm out of ammunition or there's nothing left of it.
     
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    You show typical ignorance of guns (by that I mean lack of education and not stupidity). Plenty of people us the AR platform for hunting and plinking and they don't spray "automatic" fire since they are not automatic weapons. You also project what I call self mistrust onto other people probably developed from watching too many movies.
     
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    There were four weapons. The Bushmaster was on his person, a fourth unidentified long rifle was in the car. Early reports were that it was a shotgun. I would have expected a rifle with a scope.

    The reason it was reported that she substitute taught at the school was because someone who claimed to be close to the family apparently said she did, how it snowballed into she was a kindergarten teacher and dead at the school... that is just rumors on the ground being reported. They say over and over throughout the broadcasts that these things are not confirmed... but we are a soundbite society full of blogs... which snip pieces coming to their own conclusions. Foolardi no doubt believes this was a Manchurian candidate or some such... we are a huge part of the problem. Those rushing to politicise being the worst offenders... but I was also providing details as they came through... posting the picture of the brother of the shooter suggesting he was the shooter. I don't want to own that but it is true... I want to blame the media because I did exactly what I would blame them for.

    Sort of a cast the first stone issue IMO.
     
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    I don't think Lanza had been diagnosed with any sort of mental illness but I know that nutters HAVE TO insist that anybody who would do such a thing HAS to be insane.
     
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    As more and more comes out there is a Narrative being played.
    I honestly find it near impossible for a Kid { albeit intelligent } who was
    so shy { ever heard the term gun shy } he refused to have his high school
    yearbook photo taken.You mean that kid,was bold enough to have the skill to
    casually shoot off as many rounds as reported { around 100 }.That takes dedication
    and practice.He'd have sprained his wrist if he wasn't adept at using a semo auto
    pistol.I can see why he could be used as a Patsy.Entirely because of the " empathy "
    factor.That he was so devoid of any emotion and compassion for other's { therefore his
    reluctance to socialize } that he could easily be painted as cold blooded.
    I'm sorry ... I don't buy for a second.Those with his affliction { Asperger's }
    usually are loners and difficult to talk to.That doesn't mean they are heartless.
    What was done at that school was done by a Professional,probably some
    foreign mercenary trained in asassinations.It's not like there are a crowd of
    witnesses who can give emphatically a description of the person who actually
    pulled the trigger.Look for this Crime Scene being comprimsed on all levels.
    Even the amount or type ammo used.We'll be told that it's Under Investigation.
    How many times have we heard that excuse the last few years.
     
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