All the Democrats need to do in 2024 is …

That is not a plan.
Believe me, no one want to tell voters the truth.
But what most people know us we have some bureaucracies with budgets bigger than states!

 

The CONservatives who control the Republican Party have already pissed me off enough to where I will no longer vote for any of them under any circumstances. It's Trump or **** for me at this point, as the others have all pissed me off too many times and/or are untrustworthy. I will continue to tell the truth about battered conservatives (and I don't mean it as an insult; I was one myself in the past), continue to shine sunlight upon the corrupt Uniparty system, and I gladly welcome all others to join me under the MAGA banner while leaving both the useless feckless Republican Party and the communist Satanic Democrat Party behind in the dust.

Why? Gaetz is actually representing the will of We The People on this matter. McCarthy is a POS useless RINO who has predictably gone back on every single promise ("concession") he ever made in order to get the Speaker job in the first place. For example: Where are the more sensible budgets (instead of the BS omnibus bills)? Where are the J6 tapes? Where is the Biden impeachment? Et al...

Now THIS I wholeheartedly agree with you on.

 

For you, the Republican Party is nothing if Trump isn’t leading it.

The George Wallace party of 1968 was the same way. Wallace ran for the Democrat presidential nomination in 1972. He was shot and paralyzed. After that he had power and influence only in Alabama. Then he died. That was the end of the George Wallace Party. Trump is 78 years old. How many years does your movement have left?

Trump is an egomaniac who has no plans beyond himself.

 

The Republican Party has been nothing since Reagan left office and the corrupt Bush won election in '88... It's not all about Trump. There's a reason why Perot ran in '92 and '96... There's a reason why many Hispanics who supported Bush Jr stopped voting Republican until Trump came around. There's a reason why the Tea Party formed, and why MAGA formed... It's because the Republican Party is nothing and has been nothing since '88, but many of us (myself included) continued to play along with the Uniparty strings being dangled in front of us... In fact, the Republican Party has been corrupt, feckless, and otherwise useless since well before then.

As many years as it takes to get any sort of actual representation in government.

I don't give a rat's ___ about Trump the person. The movement is about this crumbling country becoming a complete shithole. It is not about Trump's personality traits.

 

His personality traits are easier to exploit than his policies that most Americans, even Democrats, like.

 

Right. Gotta attack whatever is easiest to attack, and it most certainly isn't his very common sense policies... Ergo, the attacks on his personality traits.

It's unfortunate that, for too many people, personality traits are more important than common sense policies...

 

When you have a press that piles on the focus can be directed where it's wanted.

 

Before trump even took office...there was a GLOBAL WOMEN'S MARCH.

Let that sink in.

Saudi Arabia won't let women drive cars and in some Muslim countries women have lesser or very little rights.

But they didn't march against those policies...no no no.

Trump in the privacy of his friends and taken out of context in 2005 said "they let ya grab em by the *****..."

That was worth of global outrage...

The left have lost the plot since then

 

... and when you have a large swath of people who have outsourced their thinking to others (such as the press, or to so called "experts"), the "power of the press" is so much greater.

 

Trump might be perfect or his policy might be perfect , on the other hand W .Bush might be corrupt. But the difference between W Bush and Trump is that Trump can’t win, Bush on the other hand is a winner.

W Bush won election twice

W Bush won the mid-term in 2002


And here is trump did since he won election 2016


GOP lost special election in 2017

GOP lost Mid-term election in 2018

GOP Lost Presidential election in 2020 -

GOP lost special election in 2021 and lost 2 Senate positions.

GOP lost Senate and to GOV in mid-term 2022 election.

GOP lost special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin , Liberal judge won state wide election.

GOP Lost special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023

 

Let me begin by saying I am not a fan of Trump. He has some good ideas, but his mouth gets in the way of them. That having been said. I have to point some simple facts. First, while there are a lot of people that hate Trump with a purple passion, he is popular with a majority of the GOP and a large group of Independents. The DNC has shot itself in the foot. First by giving the Progressives too much of a platform and moving the party too far left. Many moderate and conservative democrats have been left behind and would vote for Mickey Mouse before they would vote for a Democrat. There is the problem of the most viable DNC Candidate just announced that he was going to run as an independent. That is going to split the DNC votes. Not to mention other candidate representing the other so called 3rd parties. I have read that there are currently 35 candidates running for the Libertarian Party and 134 running for the Green Party ticket. In the past, the Libertarians have eaten into the GOP vote, but in this go around, they are trying to entice the moderate Democrats. They will hurt the DNC vote count. So, the DNC has a lot more problems than just Biden. Frankly, I don't think Biden could get elected Dog Catcher.

If you want to know who I would like to see become the next President, it is Scott. I like his small government ideas.

 

You make a lot of good points, @rkhames. Still if the Democrats nominate Newsom or even Whitmer, they will have a huge initial lead that will be tough to beat.

The young voters are far more radical than I was when I was their age, and now they actually vote. Polls show that the support for Israel is soft for people under 40. The dynamic has changed because the education system has moved the younger generations to the left. They get their news from Tick-Tock, and have no concept of the truth.

And yes, if the vote is close, the Democrats will manufacture the votes to win days or even weeks after Election Day to win. There has always been cheating. In the 19th century, “floaters” moved from one area to another to cast sometimes pre-marked ballots. The difference today is that Dems have system down. If they ever gain control and enact their “vote reform” measures, with no voter ID or registration based solely on drivers’ licenses, they will be in complete control forever.

 

I think we are already there, which is why I find myself remarkably disconnected from the 2024 race No matter who wins, it will be a Democrat.

 

The polls show people are unhappy with the direction of the country. What the don’t show is what solutions do people want? Part of the dissatisfied voters are like us. They want to return to freedom and capitalism. Another big part are people who want more government programs. They want to sit on their butts and get free government money.

Polls show Biden has a 40% approval rating. What they don’t tell you is that a big piece of the other 60% want Bernie Sanders or a younger version of him.

 

"Yahoo voters hate Trump". I'm shocked that basement dwellers want to fight for their basement!
Seriously: How many people are keeping their opinions to themselves because they are wary of blowback?
Lastly, as it stands today it is going to be Trump vs Biden. Zero sum, and Biden is on a down hill trajectory.

 

It isn't just Bidden, a bunch of those who think democrat have equally nonsensical beliefs.

They all have to go.

 

Eh, I'm not seeing it. Of course I may be way wrong and Republican to-be-named-later swoops in with a massive victory in 2024. But if I were to call it now, I would call Democratic President, Senate stays in Democrat hands, and House switches to the Dems. Not because Democrats are doing a great job, but because long time Democratic voters simply don't see the GOP as a legitimate alternative no matter how bad things are.

I'm struck by how deep blue cities that have been in freefall for decades firmly remain in Democrat hands. Look at Baltimore, look at Detroit, which has been in decline my entire adult life, and the current Detroit is actually worse than the dystopian RoboCop Detroit. However what would you expect a Detroit voter to do? Vote Republican? The newer S-holes, like San Francisco and New York, are still very rich, but if they keep on their current course and businesses flee, in a few decades would you expect them to suddenly open their eyes and start voting Republican?

The future I think, is Democrat, and the more dystopian they make the country, the firmer their grip, so why would they change?

 

I no longer trust our system. Democrats are going to win in spite of the mess they have made of our economy and way of life because they control the system.

 

All I got to say is Trump vs. Biden, they have been within a point or two of each other since November 2022. That’s is pretty constant.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


I would also say the 2024 election isn’t a zero-sum game. There are other options, such as voting third party or staying home and not voting at all. RFK Jr. when added to the mix is now drawing 14% of the vote in a 3-man race.


In a hypothetical three-way matchup, Kennedy drew 14%, Biden 31%, Trump 33%, 9% will not vote 13% undecided.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rf...residential-election-reutersipsos-2023-10-05/


There’s quite a lot of voters looking for someone else other than Trump or Biden. You’re right, they’re not going to get it. There’s quite a lot of apathy out there for this rematch. Outside of avid Trump and avid Biden supporters, this may turn into our first who cares who wins election.

 

Sadly I think you make some strong points. The deep blue cities have been failing for decades, but the politics never change.

The “Freedom Caucus, Gang of Eight” have probably handed the House to the Democrats in 2024. They have probably convinced a lot of people that the Republicans cannot run themselves let alone the country. The Democrats might be in trouble in the Senate because they have more seats up for grabs.

As for the presidency, even Biden has a good chance. Trump could drag the whole Republican ticket down with him.

 

I would say that the 2024 election IS a zero sum game. One of the two major party candidates (most likely the Democrats) is going to win and RFK or any other 3rd Party candidate isn't going to change that. And most people agree, if RFK is still in the race on November 2024 he won't be pulling 14% of the vote; more likely a third of that if he's lucky. But in any case it won't change the outcome of one of the two major parties winning in 2024.

 

The Democrats have gotten every break, starting with Covid.

Once the Democrats control the House, Senate and president, they will pass legislation that will ensure that there will be only political party. After that they will wave the white flag to China. They won’t announce it; they will do it quietly.

 

Well if you want some "on the other hand," I don't think the recent kerfuffle with the Speakership will have any effect on the 2024 election. It will be long forgotten.

 

I wish were right, but I think the “Gang of Eight” may have give the House Republicans a fatal blow.

For Republicans, jerks like Gates and Santos, cause major damage. For the Democrats, AOC, Omar and Talibe are made of Teflon.

 

Well when the Republicans lose the House we can both claim to be right!