All the Democrats need to do in 2024 is …

The 2022 election results were a major eye opener. They showed that no matter how bad the Democrats do, they are in the driver’s seat, especially when Trump is giving the kiss of death to the Republicans.

 

No, but there are other options available. Such as staying home and not voting or choosing between two disliked and unwanted candidates. Not voting for who you consider the lesser of two evils, the least worse candidate or the candidate you want to lose the least. The last election we had between two disliked and unwanted candidates was 2016 where voter turnout was 54% using VAP, 137 million voted with 6% voting third party, some 8.2 million votes. Did that change the outcome, no. One of the two major party candidates won. In 2020 voter turnout was 62%, 160 million voters, third party votes was 1.8%, some 2.8 million.

2024 is shaping up to be another 2016, low voter turnout due to the dislikeness of both major party candidates, high third-party vote. You have 60% of all Americans who don’t want Biden to run again, 56% who don’t want Trump to run again either. That’s a lot of unwantedness. Questions 14 and 15.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_wyX9VrC.pdf

How many take the 2nd and 3rd option of either voting third party or refusing to vote by staying home, it looks like quite a lot today. Which however could change tomorrow. Today, you have approximately 35% who want Trump to win, 35% who want Biden to beat Trump and 30% are so disgusted with the options both major parties are offering, they are just saying to hell with it.

 

The fact that large percentages of the voting populace isn't thrilled with their options means...what exactly? If they stay home, they stay home, and therefore don't count and are irrelevant. If they vote for a third party in a state that's going one way or another regardless, then they are still irrelevant, and if they vote third party in a swing state they are still tilting the vote one way or another for that state.

And I don't think 2024 is going to be low turnout. I expect it will be a higher turn out of ballots in 2024 then 2020, regardless of how unenthused the voters are for their choices.

 

Maybe there is a more significant criteria than 'dislike the least'.

When you evaluate who has done the country the most damage, Joey Biden comes out way ahead.

 

I hope the unenthusiastic Democrats stay home. That’s our only hope.

In the old days, you went door to door trying to get your base out to vote. Today Democrats can probably go door to door getting your base to mark ballots that you put in drop boxes.

 

Anything is possible including a higher voter turnout. As for voting third party, I was one of those in 2016. I was so disgusted with both Clinton and Trump; I wanted my vote officially registered as being against both as I didn’t give a coyote’s howl who won.

In 2022 the senate race here in Georgia between Trump chosen Walker and Warnock who 58% of all Georgians disapproved of him. I voted for Chase Oliver, Libertarian as I didn’t want neither one to become Georgia’s senator. Then when the race went to a runoff, I stayed home. No way was I going to help either one become Georgia’s senator although I knew one or the other would.

Point being there is many reasons for someone voting third party or staying home. Biden vs. Trump, I don’t want neither one, as in the 2022 senate race, I see no reason to help either one win. But I can get my vote officially registered as being against both. That’s important to me. Now if the no labels choose a candidate like Manchin or Hogan, I’ll be voting for them because I want them to win, not because I didn’t want to help either major party’s candidates. Voting third party is a way to vote against that is officially registered. Staying home, that’s one way of saying I’m not choosing between two candidates I don’t want. All makes sense to me, perhaps not you, but I’m the one who’s casting my vote. Not you.

 

That's is all in the eye of the beholder.

 

As you say, it's important to you. You are registering your dislike of your choices. That's fine, but one of the two that you don't like is going to win regardless of your disapproval.

Hopefully there are no bad consequences of that!

 

If there is/was, it just proves I was right to begin with. Neither deserved the office.

 

For many voters it would be a big improvement if they made an attempt to be objective
than just going by whim.

 

Sadly, they can keep Biden if they can just steal the election in 2024. It won't matter who is on the ticket.

I do hear a lot has been done to de-fortify the system. We'll see.

 

If one of the two main parties win the Presidency in 2024, that proves you're right?

Heh, talk about a safe prediction!

 

While I agree with you that Biden is less dangerous. Most Americans today I’d say are going on the job as they see it that Biden has done. Here’s how all Americans view Biden and how he stacks up on several issues by all Americans.


Overall job approval 40.5%, disapproval 54.8

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Economy 37.0% approve, 60.1% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_job_approval_economy-7321.html

Inflation 32.6% approve, 64.6% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_approval_inflation-7832.html

Immigration 33.4% approve, 63.0% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-immigration-7359.html

Foreign Policy 40.3% approve, 56.5% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_job_approval_foreign_policy-7322.html

Crime 36.3% approve, 57.0% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_approval_crime-7833.html



No wonder they’re giving Trump a view as an alternative to Biden. Throw in the fact that 60% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again. Question 14. They don’t want Trump either, 56% don’t want him to run again either. Question 15.


https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_wyX9VrC.pdf


What most Americans want is someone other than Biden and or Trump. Which apparently, they’re not going to get. So, in their minds or mindset the choice is between two dregs from the bottom of the barrel. As a swing voter, what I can’t understand if the goal, the mission, the objective is to win an election, why run candidates most folks don’t want? Conclusion, there must be an secret alternative objective than winning an election being kept hid from the American public.

 

Who has done the most damage? Joey Biden.

 

Well, you are completely right that Trump will beat Biden. Hey, you could nominate Kamala Harris, how about that?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

President: general election, 2024
Oct. 22-26
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McLaughlin & Associates
Biden 35% 38% Trump Trump +3
Oct. 22-26
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Biden 37% 39% Trump Trump +2
Oct. 22-26
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Harris 42% 50% Trump Trump +8
Oct. 22-26
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Biden 43% 48% Trump Trump +5

 

Trump is so widely disliked, except for his cult followers, that he is THE ONLY candidate who could lose to Biden. Voting for Biden is like voting for puppet with no life in it whatsoever. BUT Trump can manage to lose to him. If it’s close, the Democrats will create enough votes to win.

Even if Trump does win, his entire term will be dedicated to endless indictments, constant impeachments, congressional investigations and continuing riots like the summer of 2020. The Trump candidacy is not viable on any level.

 

That's not what the polls show.

 

The Republican commentators on Fox News are jumping up and down about how Trump is leading Biden in the opinion polls. Big deal! The differences are within or close to the margin of error, which means the race is a tie. Furthermore all of these polls have him running against Biden.

The voters don’t want either of these candidates. Trump is a cult figure, and Biden is a worn out puppet who never did amount to much.

All the Democrats have to do is dump Biden and the election is in the bag. Harris would be a problem, but the American people would probably elect her because they hate Trump. She’ll get 25% of the vote because she’d be the “first woman color president.” That’s how stupid and uninformed many voters are. The Democrats can pull stupid out of the electorate woodwork.

If they nominate Newsom, they’re in for sure, even though he’s failed as Governor of California. Newsom has nice hair, and he can speak coherently. That’s more than they have ever had with Biden.

 

Yes, for once I think you are right, although even Biden would probably win due to all the voted which are against Trump.

He said he is not interested, but I think Manchin will join the race.

Kiss of Judas.

 

It is probably too late for that now. I like Joe Biden. I voted for him in 2020. I will vote for him in 2024. Nevertheless, I wish he had announced early after his inauguration that he did not intend to run again. This would have given the Democrat Party the opportunity to find a credible alternative to Trump, who I consider to be a dangerous, evil man. Right now Trump is ahead of Biden in the polls.

 

You mean, who was the president that took office a year after COVID started when the entire world was in calamity and economic systems the world over were upended. If the president has this much power, why did Trump allow it to go to **** before he left office? Why didn't he use his magic dial to keep the economy good?

 

In modern times, no president in his first term would announce that he won’t run for a second. That would make him an instant lame duck and diminish his political power. An example was Teddy Roosevelt who announced after he won in 1904 that he wouldn’t seek another term. He called it the biggest mistake of his life. Roosevelt was an activist president to say the least, but his political wings were clipped, especially in the last two years of his presidency.

I have never cared for Biden, and I like him even less in his current diminished mental state. He is nothing but a figure head now with others running the show in the background.

I wish the Trump would go away. His time has come and gone. It’s time for a new generation of leaders. If the choice is between Biden and Trump, I will reluctantly vote for Trump. The mess at the border would be enough to disqualify Biden, but virtually everything else under his rule is turning into a string of disasters. I fear what a second Biden term will bring.

 

And why do people vote for Trump?

 

Our only hope is just to repeat 2020. Biden gets more votes than Trump. I can do without that illegal tactics of Trump but as long as Biden beats Trump that's my main concern.

 

If the choice is between Biden and Trump I will enthusiastically vote for Biden. All of the illegal crap Trump tried to do in 2020 should be enough to disqualify him. The fact that he will probably be convicted of some that crap in 2024 before the election should disqualify him. I'm old enough to remember campaigns for President being sunk for FAR less. It just boggles my mind that someone found liable for sexual assault and defamation, found liable of engaging in fraud in a charity (and no longer allowed to sit on the board of a charity in NY because of said fraud), who includes the phrase "ROT IN HELL" in a supposed "Christmas message" (whatever happened to "Peace on Earth Good will towards Men"? It seems Christianity has changed since I left the faith), who has cheated on all his wives, who is under indictment for over 90 different criminal acts, who has shown time and time again that he is a moron...that THIS person is the front runner for a major political party.