Amazing how some people blame this whole recession on Obama

Well for one thing, I wouldn't be pushing unions on companies, or suing plants for moving to a non union state. Especially when no existing plants are closed or jobs lost. That's going to make a lot of companies think twice about moving out rather than South to compete.


I would be talking of tax cuts for business, instead of raising them.

I wouldn't be pushing anymore regulations on companies now. You do that when times are better, not when they are worse.

He is not business friendly and that's what he needs to be now.

 

I am a OBAMA supporter also,and I agree with 99% of what you are saying here,except holding OBAMA responsible for the shape the economy is in-the GOP has used record number of filibusters to stop OBAMA on every turn,not because they don't agree with his policies(because many of OBAMA'S proposals were GOP ideas to begin with)it is their ideology that if they can stop the economy from improving,it will make OBAMA look bad and get back control of the White House in 2012. Nobody can argue sufficently to me that every single GOP that represents their state in Washington has 100% backing from their constituents on their decisions to vote NO on every bill. They (GOP) are more endeared to Grover Norquist than any person that voted for them.Even if,(and this is a BIG IF) the GOP wins the Presidency in 2012-they (GOP) have so effectively stymied the economic recovery and GOP credibility of representatives in Washington-what's their all saving plan for the US?(and I would wager that it would NOT be instant and overnight like all the GOPBAGGERS expected of OBAMA.OR would it be just a continuation of making the top 1% wealthier? With GOP Presidential Candidates that are out there right now--a vote for any of them-assures us it will be the top 1% and thus we are surely screwed. OBAMA 2012.

 

that first paragraph describes YOU to a tee.yeah the mainstream media does a good job of making a fool of of you no doubt since thats all you go by.again you have shown you have done zero research into this so I am done with you..

 

Care to give example where obama did this?

They havent been raised only lowered by obama, and they are around an effective tax rate of 12-14% how much lower would you push them ?

Such as?

business has been cuddled for years, and see the mess. You need policy that is going to improve the USA, not just blind faith in business .

 

what a clueless post.you need to watch the obama deception video sometime.then you will see how its ignorant to be an Obama supporter.

 

Both parties are to blame........but its clear one party deserves the lion's share.

Im Independent and non-partisan......so I blame President Obama......

Unemployment Rate Since President Obama Took Office


....but I also blame Senator Obama.....

Unemployment Rate Since Obama and Democrats Took Over Congress

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Trouble is, neither of you are looking at the things he has done to hurt bringing more jobs, which I listed above.

He also missed opportunities to create jobs and build on green technology.

Case in point. Gave tens of billions to banks and auto companies but couldn't come up with more than half a billion to build the biggest wind farm in Texas. Allowing the Chinese to fund one and a half billion more and they get over 2,900 full times jobs building them. We get about 35 full time jobs out of it.

He stripped billions of dollars Bush set aside for hydrogen vehicles. One of the biggest things the world will have going soon. He put it in batteries for electric vehicles that will have very limited selling power. Both Germany and Japan are building a 1,000 refueling stations to handle hydrogen vehicles. The automakers said the lack of refueling stations is the major block holding them up from mass producing them. We don't even have our feet wet building them in any number.

Hydrogen would help cut our reliance on oil. It's clean which would clean up our air and fight global warming. All the things he wants to do. Then pulls the funds from it. It could also really make the auto production increase.

 

If you had any idea how the real world was you would know that yes,it has been coming down on us since CFR member Clinton sold us out by creating NAFTA,here is where you are clueless though that congress had more to do with it than our presidents."Clinton" signed NAFTA into affect which millions of americans we are still paying for.Bush esculated what his buddy and long time pal Clinton got started and now Obama has esculated what Bush got started.Every president that gets in is always a member of that corrupt CFR organization,they are willing puppets willing to do their bidding.They play off the public fooling them everytime that they are nothing like their party except they follow the same footsteps of them and the american sheepie people keep their heads buried in the sand thinking the next demopublican president or republicrat coming in is going to change things even though time after time they lie.

You guys just dont get it that america will continue to go down the path of bankrupt unless somehow we can get ron paul in office who is NOT a member of that evil organization the CFR that Clinton,Bush and Obama all are.Every president that gets in is worse than the previous one because they are here to serve the establishment and be a willing puppet.Paul would not be their willing puppet they would want him to be.He wants nothing to do with the CFR.

 

I don't think many of us blame the recession on Obama--it was a global recession. I certainly don't blame Obama for the recession. I blame the lack of recovery on Obama.

 

Till Obama came along Bush was the worst thing that ever happened to america sending us into the worst recession of all time.Like i said before,people have a short memory that Bush towards the end of his presidency,brought us into the worse recession ever and people were losing their jobs left and right all over the country.Its just that like i said,since Obama has esculated it and made it far worse than Bush ever did,,they forget how Bush was the one that got us into this mess in the first place somehow.

 

And what Specific Bush Policy caused the Recession?

.....the Mortgage Collapse/Recession was created the moment Government Mortgage Inc was created.......in 2008 it was realized.
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NAFTA has been pushed since Reagan. He started it with Canada, which was no big deal, Canada was close in pay and benefits and wouldn't hurt us. It took off big under Bush Sr. Was finalized under Clinton. But Congress had the power to require negotiations on minimum wages and environmental rules before approving NAFTA and decided not to. They could have done the same with trade with China and chose not to. That put us at a big disadvantage with those countries and opened the door for thousands to leave. Congress is as much to blame or more, than Bush Sr or Clinton.

 

Most politicians are elected purely on rhetoric and how they look in an expensive suit.
Pres. Obama was no different.

 

What does deficit spending of the budget have to do with a recession? I swear, you have one narrative that you stick to no matter what in the most ignorant way I can imagine. If we were talking about gay marriage you'd probably bring up deficit spending.

BTW, we're not in a recession right now. We've had 3 consecutive quarters of economic improvement (according the majority of indicators). The only thing slowing the economy right now is the fear in Europe related to Greece and Italy. Guess what, that has NOTHING to do with Obama. He's been one of the most accomplished presidents on record, with the only negative marks being that he didn't do enough with the healthcare plan to make it feasible, and current corporations are still sitting on loads of cash that they've yet to pour into the market (again, related the fears spawned in Europe right now).

Once that money starts to hit the streets, jobs will come back and our economy will be looking at a huge recovery. Guess what a huge recovery will mean? It means a much larger revenue source that will shrink the deficit even more. A few trillion dollars infused that are currently sidelined will mean that in Obamas second term (which is all but a slam dunk right now considering his competition) will likely see him balance this albatross budget (handed to him by Bush), end two wars, see the middle East reborn into a safer, more democratic area, improved healthcare and a country that will once again wake up proud of itself and the things it can accomplish (especially as new healthcare research and safer energy alternative research starts to bear fruit).

At the end of the day, 8 years of Obama will have the end result of a massive net positive for our country, and the antithesis of the disastrous Bush presidency. Policy and change takes time (sorry media) and much of what he's done has not born fruit YET. But it will in time, and we'll be better for it.

My fear is that his best policies won't show positive results until a few months or years after he's out of office, and the right will be able to steal credit for it. Much of what Obama's getting blamed for is the maturation of Bush policies finally have their destructive effects. Of course, no republican would ever accept that truth and they'd still vote for Bush tomorrow if he could run again. But that's because they are complete and utter morons.

 

I disagree completely-it was not a clueless post-
And there is a ton of reference out there to dispute your idea that OBAMA is deceiving anyone.
I would be very interested to hear your view on any of the GOP candidates running for POTUS--cause any word spoken in their defense will truely show who the more politically educated person is here.
OBAMA 2012-------

 

Bush didn't send us into a recession. Have enough brains to realize what happened right before Bush came in office. Free Trade and NAFTA was signed when Clinton was in office. It had little time to take effect till Bush came in. People need to look at what was happening back then to realize what caused things to happen. You only want to look who was in office then.

 

So by that same token of sentiment-you all should not be blaming OBAMA for our current state of woes-
But that being said--I do blame Bush-he signed the BUSH TAX cuts-he sent us to 2 wars without either being paid for-he put into effect the prescription drug plan without it being paid for-he instituted the largest expansion of the US Government-Homeland security AND when our country was collapsing in 2007-Bush went on a world tour( dancing in Africa )(I'm sure you saw the video) instead of doing something to stop the spiral,(and to kick us in the face even more--it was on our dime)just like he was nowhere around to get the help out to Katrina victims.(and above is just the tip of the ice-berg)-----So yes,there were many factors that led us down the path to buckling in 2007,but Bush had a huge hand in it as did many other GOP representatives.Repealing Smoot/Haley-Glass/Stegal-implementing Futures Modernization Act.......

 

If you look back at some of my latest posts, you'll see I didn't blame Obama for any of it. I did blame him for not doing enough to create jobs while in office, not being job friendly. Go read my last 3-4 posts and see if I wasn't on target for who is to blame for this whole mess. It started years ago. Not just with Obama and Bush.


We had one of the nations biggest tax cuts during the Vietnam war. Let's not forget that.

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1960 91.0 % 25.0 %
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1968 75.3 % 26.9 %
1969 77.0 % 27.5 %
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Lets not forget after a 31% cut in taxes, in 1965, during the Vietnam War, Johnson also did this.

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Now lets look at this big tax cut everyone is complaining about Bush doing during the war. In 1999 Clinton's tax was 40%. Bush cut it to 35% in 2003 A 5% cut, compared to a 31% cut in 1960's. But no Liberal will talk about that. You won't hear it on any Liberal radio or television station either.

 

well done but your wasting your breath on him.

 

as well you should since he has expanded what Bush got started with ALL of his policys.

 

All I know is this:
Obama promised me a job and an uptick in our middle class lifestyle.

So far, I have no job and am losing everything and more that I earned/gained during the years previous to Obama. Obama has failed and in fact made my families life worse due to his HUGE taxpayer bailout of big banks and businesses while sucking us little folks dry. If he let the criminal banks, like Citibank fail, most of us middle class folks would be better off.

In the end, a duck is a duck is a duck. PERIOD.

 

one clueless post after another,why are you so afraid to take me up on that challenege and watch that video i referred you to? thats the most hysterical thing i ever heard that he isnt deceiving anybody.He has lied about EVERYTHING he ever said he was going to do once he got into office.

 

you took Bluebird to school major BIG TIME.

 

I swear if SMW didn't just steal my thunder with this one.


The problem I have is when everybody knows Obama has dropped the ball on many policy gaffs and bungles, but his followers continue to say "He's just cleaning up Bush's mess"

Well, can he do it without making a HUGE mess himself in the process?