America is a violent country

You assume that public sector unions in all advanced western countries are the same. Can you prove that?

 

Crap -
The problem lies in the roots of american thinking. - way back from the times they started robbing / native indigenous people of their hunting grounds + carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing - herding the remaining natives into " Reservations "
The Gun totting Wild West mentality .continued to this day.

 

assaults are defined differently in America vs britain

 

Did you know, that violent Black and Latino street gangs have killed multiple 9/11's worth of innocents, since 9/11?

Of course, the terrorists murdering thousands in our own backyards and degrading entire communities are put on the back burner by, and cause only a tiny miniscule fraction of funding to fight against from, the federal government, compared to all the Brown people they must instead blow up on the other side of the world.

Of course that's because it's up to corporations like offense contractors and their governmental puppets who decide which fish need to be fried, and of course, like outrage against food stamps instead of free money welfare for profitable corporations, they get the public in line with their priorities, not those in the public's best interests.

 

why would I bother?

 

On planet Islamofascist propaganda maybe, but here in realityville not so much. The United States (America aint no country I ever heard of mother (*)(*)(*)(*)er say what again) is actually a caring accepting tolerant nation, so the little Islamophiles can go wear a cross to Mecca, call for non-violence, and kiss my ass as they take their head.

 

That's just vacuous rhetoric. The most docile people in America today are the descendants of the people who exterminated the First Peoples of America. They aren't very well educated, but they are docile as hell.

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I really can't think of a reason for us to talk. Thanks for the chat.

 

anytime. thanks for the demonstration

 

You could be right. I know that is true in a general way but this survey had said it was trying to get good comparisons. On looking again

http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

So I am unsure.

 

Come on Marlowe. You can do it. One more time: Why is it fine for you to condemn the US or any other country, but when someone applies the same towards you, your response is to tell them to clean their own house first?

 

In my opinion, the most practical, reasonable and objective way to suss all this out to just examine homicide rates.

Europe, excluding Eastern Europe, and especially Greenland, but certainly including the UK, has outstandingly low homicide rates, certainly lower than the USA by a couple magnitudes.

The USA however isn't all that bad when you compare them to like I mentioned Greenland, Russia, various Pacific countries, the ME and especially Africa.. THOSE are the countries that need to get their act together.

I'm not trying to have a go at anyone's country, rather just put this in an objective light.

I will say in the USA's defense, the rate, around 4 per 100k, is SURPRISINGLY low and absolutely outstanding considering them being among the few with firearm liberty, and as far as I know, the lowest murder rate for any firearm liberal nation.

If it weren't for the gang epidemic, they would hardly be much worse than Europe. In other words, it's not the guns to blame IMO... What you use to kill isn't the issue, it's how many people kill and get killed that is.

Oh I should add my source it was the UNODC '12 with figures dating back to '10 mostly.

 

First, it should be noted that the figures Swann gives are out of date: in 2010, according to the FBI, the reported rate of violent crime in the US was 403 incidents per 100,000 people–the 466 figure comes from 2007. Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

 

O K I 'll play along with you. Now do tell who are the SOB's who're responsible for america's , since its creations's for i ts high violent gun crime figures ?

 

Yes I understand that. I checked it out. The survey I gave I think is trying to overcome those differences. If we, as happy Sun Dude suggests, limit it to homicide, then the US wins by being 3rd, England and Wales are 22nd, Scotland 12th and Northern Ireland 18th. The US certainly has significant more homicide than the UK.

 

Yes.....but the HUGE difference is one event was an accident, and one was INTENTIONAL. These bombers/terrorists purposefully made bombs and took them and with smiles on their faces set them down by 8 yr old boy and other Americans simply enjoying the day at a famous track event.

Can't even compare the two. Aren't comparable.

 

Its , as ever, just a matter of degrees. which in your opinion is is worse ?

 

ONCE in an accident. multiple times is delibrate

 

I think Marlowe was comparing the lack of humanitarian interest in the Massive blast in Texas.

 

You might think its a " HUGE difference" but I doubt its makes ANY DIFFERENCE to the victims ,

WTF does its matter ?

Which would you prefer to be blown up /maimed /injured by - ?

 

From the OP...

Can you please explain the logic of comparing the U.S. to a OECD country like say...Spain? The U.S. population is about 313,914,040. The population of Spain is about 47,000. Even 'per capita' doesn't work as a reliable, valid comparison. In fact, there is no comparison.

 

Not only that, but the problem with violent crime rates can also be not just what constitutes a violent crime, but also law enforcement differences, like what gets written up, what gets warnings etc.. Like some countries might arrest every drunken brawler while others usually just break fights up, and also cultural differences like what people even bother to report and what they don't.. At least with homicides, they usually don't, at least in the free world, fly under the radar, and tend to get documented, and thus giving us a much more objective, standardized measure.

Plus, that's the most important crime to worry about anyway.

Also another pro-US/guns argument I would make is, while gun crimes certainly get noticed, and we can blame them for crimes of course, we also can't figure out how many crimes they prevent, and in my opinion, I'm thinking they do prevent a fair share of crimes as well by being a deterrent, dropping it a point or so, at least closer towards Europe.

So once again IMO, the USA for being a gun-liberal nation, is doing an OUTSTANDING job, and there are no crime stats I could cite that can serve as a very strong argument against gun rights... The feds sorting out the gangs problem instead of overseas wars would put the nation in tip-top shape, close enough to the UK and Europe to make us comfortable anyway.

 

lol because guns are legal here, why so many knife related violent crimes in the U.K.? Your little Pakinazi's killed Harry Potter for (*)(*)(*)(*)s.

 

guns seem to be more effective

 

How many knfe related crimes in america ?


And see if you can come up with per capita comparisons - of UK/US knife + gun crimes , and you staying ON TOPIC instead of blabberin some BS abt Harry Potter .


Bedtime here I'm faling asleep Gotta get up early tomorrow. Zzzzzzzzz

 

Also I would add, while I never would get rid of the US second amendment, unless enough people, states and politicians wanted it to actually amend the constitution (the vast preponderance) and at which point I would still vote against it, not even the stupid bullet counting law proposals, we also must acknowledge that every country is different. For the UK, I also wouldn't change the way things are now, except for maybe 7 year automatic jail for knife possession is way OTT IMO.

But if it's working, stick with it! Plus, of dozens of people who ask me what's better about the USA vs. UK, my answer gun rights ALWAYS has gotten me a "WTF" response. The Brits by far and away do not see the point in that.. For the vice-versa, the UK wins due to its NHS, which having used quite a few times, I find kicks so much ass and is so much better than the US system, provided the torries don't gut it too much.

Another thing I was shocked about. I'd never be a cop, but always thought certainly not a UK cop because I wouldn't get a gun and I'd be worse off. Yet if you look at the numbers, hardly any Brit cops get killed in the line of duty by comparison, a tiny fraction, half of those being not even from violence, but car wrecks and such.