...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

He is more syncretic on the liberal-conservative spectrum than pure. On the libertarian-authoritarian spectrum, he is a statist purist. Overall, he is a progressive, because progressivism is a center-left authoritarian ideology.

 

it's not single payer. it's still controlled by the public sector.

 

nobody named soetoro has ever been president.

 

The gateway to socialism is marxism. In order to be marxist you must be doing what you do with the clearly stated goal of socialism. Obama hasn't stated that goal, so he can take over the student loan industry and it's still not marxsim.

You can't logically operate on the notion that you "just know" that's what Obama is "really" trying to do.

 

It's just plain old fashioned Democratic stuff, not at all unlike things FDR, Kennedy, and LBJ did.

 

prove he is wrong

 

That's right. The Monkey King is not named Barry Soetoro.

 

there is nobody named barry soetoro to throw out.

 

Gotcha!.....and you may have been quite clear.

There is a long sad list of terms people misuse these days. "Racist" "Socialist" "Nazi" "Marxist" "Conservative" "Liberal"

 

I just love openly racist posts. it completely destroys any credibility you have.

 

I'm never sure. I don't get a lot of replies and I'm never sure if the problem is the author or the audience.

 

You are unfamiliar with literary references. You don't know who the Monkey King was. He's a character out of Journey To The West, a Han Chinese masterpiece. The Han called him Trickster Monkey.

You're not well educated. Your opinion of my credibility is of no importance.

 

here is the complete chain of posts.........

YOU chose to respond to these chain of posts. you used a racial slur to refer to the president for which this chain of posts was discussing. you don't fool anyone.

I am very well educated by the way.

 

Not really. Lincoln was endorsed by Marx himself, for example.

"Statist control" and "socialism" don't go together. Centralization removes power from the workers; not builds power for the workers. However, why object so strongly to state involvement with a public good like health care? There's far, far more extensive intervention in the private sector than that.

To be more accurate; the United States is finally developing an energy policy. We've never had one before. Hence the "environazi" nonsense.

So what? The state props up unsupportable businesses all the time for the good of the state economy. The US economy as we know it today would not function without massive government support. Neither would the economy of any developed or developing country. Economic development as we know it today is a state enterprise, not a private enterprise. It has been since World War Two.

Real economic development is very painful for the people in power, because real economic development is a leveling force in society.

"Immigration policy" is staunchly anti-immigrant; the fact that it exists at all ought to be abhorrent to any people who respect freedom.

As for voter fraud... there's no substantial evidence of a significant problem with petty voter fraud of the sort that would be prevented by photo ID laws. It's just not very common. Certainly the photo ID laws themselves disenfranchise far more legitimate voters than fraudulent voters. Real voter fraud happens in the state legislatures and boards of elections.

How so? He's been a fairly typical American president--a staunch state capitalist.

 

You may think you're well educated, but you obviously don't know literature.

Bush was referred to as Chimp Bush. Do you remember? That was no more racist than me calling the Barackstar the Monkey King. Same principle. Obama's skin color does not protect him from ridicule. No politician gets respect.

 

Every time a pretend Conservative votes for the likes of Santorum it is the same as defacating on the American flag.

He is against the rights and freedoms our forefathers fought to protect.

 

Marxism is a revolutionary theory, not reformist. Barack Obama was elected president, and encourages change through legislation. Barack Obama is a reformist. Thus, he cannot be a Marxist, by definition. End of story.

Read some Marx. The communist manifesto is like 30 pages long, it doesn't take long. Marxism is more than "communism!" or "socialism!", despite the never ending outbursts from the right. It's as much about revolution, and history for that matter, as it is about socialism/ communism.

Reformists can't be Marxist.

 

I agree completely. The Founders were so far ahead of their time we had nowhere to go but backwards.

Unfortunately a large portion of America have forgotten much of what the founders were trying to accomplish namely .. separation of Church and State.

Real Conservatives like Goldwater warned against the Constitutional defamation by the religious right and he could not have been more correct.

 

Ok, that is a simplistic and poor definition, but not entirely inaccurate. Now you just need to support your assertion that Obama hopes to bring about peasant revolt, and create a dictatorship of the proletarian. Don't worry, I will wait!!

 

He has killed a lot of Muslims for some one who loves them so much!! Just once, I want to read a post written by a right-wing Republican that isn't completely detached from reality!! It doesn't even need to be intelligent, thoughtful, or accurate. Just with a slight reference to reality. Go do a very quick google search, where you type in "drone attacks Obama." Then look at his record on Guantanamo, Israel, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, the list goes on and on!! The rest is just mindless abuse. Though we agree on one thing, I too believe Obama is incompetent. However, I absurdly referenced reality when I came to that conclusion. It is crazy I know, but some of us can't help it!!

 

I think you have trouble with this whole debate thing!! You take a leap the size of the grand canyon within about 3 sentences in the bold. Obama is a major part of the capitalist ruling class in the United States!! He is the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing president of the United States!! You are aware of this yes? The idea that he is opposed to the ruling class is nonsensical beyond my abilities to comprehend!! If the president is opposed to the ruling class, then the people on Jersey Shore are opposed to fake tan!!

 

Only a person with an IQ in double digits would claim that it does. It is a truly terrible bill, but it is a bill which all it does is gives health insurance providers 35 million or so new customers!! Only in the delusional world of the American right-winger is a giant handout to private companies socialism!! It is corporatism!! Or just capitalism really. That is what capitalism does, despite the denial of reality of so many. Capitalism has pretty much always included a system where in government works to the betterment of the capitalist class. Unfortunately, Obama is no different!! Which is exactly why his biggest donors in 2008 were corporations. Strange decision by Goldman Sachs to give so much money to a communist, but maybe the people at Goldman Sachs just aren't as smart as the braindead right wingers of political forum.com, and they just were't able to see the truth!!

 

Ironically, those 35 million or so new customers did not even make a dent in the number of uninsured Americans. According to the Census, the number of uninsured is increasing.

 

Some people need to do a historical overview of what authoritarianism has and does look like!! I oppose Obama completely, and I think our current system is broken. However, it is NOT authoritarian. Or I should say, if you put progressivism on a scale, it would be more authoritarian than libertarianism(theoretically, since it is an abstract invention which has only existed in the human mind), but is unquestionably not all the way up the authoritarian scale!!

 

what could be more Marxist than accepting the financial support of the Unions and watering the stock of the NLRB?

Unionism IS marxism.

It is the idea that the workers in a company like GM should not pay the Bond Holders who lent the company the money to runthebusiness, then issue the union memebrs shares oif GM stock.