Anti-Zionist Jews aren’t Jewish?

The West Bank as well. You act like terrorists, expected to be treated as such. Both Gaza and the West Bank had the opportunity to either make peace or go to their adjacent countries of Egypt and Jordan.

 

Sorry I misread you there. I though you said you believed Gaza was Independent.

Why do you believe Gaza and the West Bank I presume which are only 22% of these people's homeland should also be colonised. You do know that this is against all International law and is causing massive suffering.

 

I act as a terrorist. Do not be ridiculous. I am a half Scottish half Irish woman living in Scotland and have never been involved in any terrorism including that of the IRA.

Israel is the racist terror artist. The only way she has got away with it till now is because of the American Christian Right because they are extremists trying to get the Israelis to play out what they believe is Bible Prophesy without a care in the world for the mass of people they harm and you being a Neo Zionist are part of that. Perhaps it is nearer home you need to look for terrorism.

 

Certainly, however I think you have strayed into a thread which you do not understand, this is about Jews who claim other Jews are not Jews because they are not Zionists, do you have any contribution to make on that subject?

 

I think it is clear from the responses of a couple of people who clearly have no idea what the thread is about, that some Christian Zionists have inadvertently strayed into a subject they can barely comprehend. As you say it is nothing but biblical prophesy that makes them act the way they do, we should not judge them to harshly, poor uneducated brainwashed things that they are.

 

But who are the better Jews? Those, who fight violently for a blood-and-soil-ideology (Zionism), or those who protest against it in a peaceful manner?

 

Zionists, their apologists, and every one else are well aware of the Bible's teaching that Israel belongs to Abraham's seed (Old Testament) and all who recognize the Messiah (New Testament). Since it belongs to all these groups it cannot possibly be a Jewish state to the exclusion of anyone else. As such, there is no biblical basis for the exclusionist ideology known as Zionism.

 

This is an interesting discussion.......
I am a Christian Zionist.... I am convinced that the fulfillment of
Ezekiel chapter 47 is the greatest hope for stabilization of the environment of the planet
and the initiation of rain in due season for all nations bordering on Israel who will permit
their Jews and Noahides to go to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles during
the Era of Moshiach.

Zec 14:16

¶
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain."

In a way..... this trend that you refer to.....prepares the way for the fulfillment of:

Ezekiel 37:16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand."

Many Orthodox Jews may soon come to the basic belief that
Christians......... who are observing the weekly Sabbaths... and even the
annual Jewish Holy Days.... and who believe that the Ezekiel Temple Complex must be built.....
may in a sense be more "Jewish" than Secular Jews who do not......
believe what Ezekiel predicted.




You might find this other discussion kind of interesting......?
Could there be two Jerusalem Third Temples?

 

Dennis I have read your posts for some years now and I am sure you are an honest guy with good intentions. I also can see where you may see the creation of Israel as fulfilment of biblical prophesy. So how do you account for the terrible suffering of the 750,000 Palestinians both Christian and Muslim who were driven from their homes by the Zionists and the now millions of them who now languish in refugee camps?

 

Jews are hated as a race because they are seen as part of a Jewish nation. A nation that can scatter and yet stay cohesive. Doesnt matter whether Jews support Israel's right to exist or not, or if they practice Judaism or are atheist. The hatred stemming from Arabs and others are targeted towards the Jewish race.

 

And of course from Zionists who suggest that unless they believe in Zionism they are not even Jews! How much more hatred can you have for your fellow Jews than to deny them their own identity?

 

Yep. Self destructiveness is common for the left.

 

It is both right and left wing Zionists who want to deny the right of identity to other Jews, your partisan political point is senseless!

 

who's fault is that?

there have been tens of millions of refugees since WW2, and almost all of them are resettled, assimilated and allowed to prosper.

however, the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Egypt are instead FORCED to live in shitty conditions.

they are used as a political tool.

 

Good question........
on one level their plight within a century or two will become known as one of the
greatest dramas............ illustrating RESTORATION......... because I believe that Mr. Tsvi Misinai
is correct that the Palestinians are indeed the great, great, great grandchildren of the Jews.......
who DID NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt... and thus were not expelled from the Roman Province of
Judaea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai

Mr. Misinai is setting the stage for an important work of the final Elijah........
whatever it is that is meant by the predictions about that total paradigm shift.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm

On another level..... the plight of the Palestinians gives us a good idea of how
much damage can be done by a series of really, really, really, really terrible leaders.

This man...... led the Palestinian people of the 1930's - 1970's into a policy of
essentially total warfare against the Jewish people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

In 1972 the Russians found Yasar Arafat who continued a policy of essentially total warfare by Palestinians against Israeli Jews.........

http://www.tldm.org/News9/RussianInfluenceOnMideast.htm

If.... the Islamic leadership of the Palestinian people.......
had been in the mindset of President Obama's older half brother........
and if they had given credit to the Jewish people for carrying a heavy
burden throughout history..........
and had faith that they would even fulfill Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.........
the situation between Israelis and Palestinians could have been totally different than what we
know happened over this last century!

As I have read and re-read Ezekiel chapters 37 - 48... I am sure that I don't comprehend even five percent
of the full meaning...... but I believe that the descendants of Judah, King David and Levi...... will accomplish
all of that somehow or another!

Is Malik Obama one of the worlds' most courageous Muslims?

 

Ronstar.....I totally agree with this post!


Here is the next paragraph after the ones quoted in post #40:

• http://www.tldm.org/News9/RussianInfluenceOnMideast.htm
• Russia and its influence on Mideast terrorism...
• 
  

 

Of course the Palestinians have been used as pawns by just about everybody, and make it crystal clear the Palestinian refugees are not refugees from WW2 they are refugees from the creation of Israel. There is a simple solution and that is allow them to return to their homeland with one nationality, call it Israeli, Palestinian whatever you want. But of course that cannot happen and maintain a Jewish majority in Israel can it?

 

It could if the Palestinians were willing to become part of the Noahide Movement......
become Islamic Noahides...... which I think is quite doable.

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...ish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm
The 7 Noahide Laws: Universal Morality

My theory is that the Palestinians will soon make some significant steps toward the Messianic Jewish movement..... and later toward the Noahide Movement...

which is kind of appropriate considering that the great, great, great grandparents of the Palestinians... may have been largely the second second century Messianic Jewish community.... who did NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt.

First century church may have numbered 400,000... did the majority convert to Islam?

My wife is Pentecostal and has gotten some unusual messages over these past eighteen years that helped me to take seriously what was shown to Mrs. Mary Burris regarding the Islamic nations.

 

The general left advocates the destruction of Israel. There are exceptions ...some Jewish left leaning don't. But anybody wanting to dismantle Israel is advocating the destruction of Jews in general. Self destructive Jews are Jews on the left. The right-leaning Jews you are speaking off are wanting to preserve their heritage. That is not a self destructive attitude.

 

The majority of Jews do not live in Israel, how does calling for the dismantling of the Jewish State mean you are advocating for the destruction of the Jews? Right wing Jews who claim that not being a Zionist means not being a Jew are calling for 2000 years of Jewish culture to be removed!

 

calling for Israel to be destroyed is a call for genocide

 

how come you dont call for the millions of Germans who were exiled from Russia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, to be allowed back?

oh...right...cause Germany took them in with care and assimilated them, even though Germany was NOT their home.

 

Now explain where anyone calls for Israel to be destroyed, you paranoia and inability to read posts is not my problem deal with it.

 

Again, we are not dealing the results of WW2 but of the creation of the state of Israel, which part again do you not understand?

And how do you know what I called for during the cold war, apart from paranoia have you added time travel to your list of talents?

And again which part of two wrongs do not make a right do you not understand?

 

Well far right religious nutjobs always think they are the only TRUE followers of their religions. It's true of Christians, especially here in America, true of Muslims with Wahabbism, and it's true of Jews with Zionists.