anybody else here excited about the Rams coming back to LA?

The owners and the NFL reap the profits. In the case of the Packers, the fans are the owners, one of the rare occasions where public support matters.

No smart city wants an NFL team. It's a money pit.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/02/five-reasons-losing-an-nfl-football-team-is-good-for-a-city/

Seriously... NFL teams are private profit-driven businesses, not public assets.



Do you think that Browns jersey you buy goes into the city's bank account? It doesn't. Do you think 8 home games creates substantial jobs? 8 times a year someone sells hot dogs...yes that's a real money maker. It's an extortion racket, fans just haven't wised up to it yet. Your Browns left for Baltimore, haven't you learned the owners don't care about the civic investment or civic pride.

 

I'll leave this here....

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/

Pro football is King and it's King because the owners have managed to pull the wool over the eyes of fans and city politicians making them believe having an NFL team is good for their city, good for their State...it is not. You are paying for this team whether you even support them as a fan or not in the form of tax subsidy's. Profits from TV revenue and merchandise does not go to the city, it goes to the owners...in one case, the city owns the team, Green Bay. One lone exception to the Billionnaires club known as the NFL.

My final words on the topic...

MacDonald cites the research of Mike Leeds, a sports economist at Temple University. Leeds studied the professional sports teams in Chicago, and he came to a somewhat shocking conclusion: “If every sports team … were to suddenly disappear,” Leeds said on KPCC radio in California, “the impact on the Chicago economy would be a fraction of one percent.”

Professional sports and their stadium deals... are a racket.

Don't let the door hit you in patoot on the way Kroenke. St. Louis will be saving $985 million by not giving in to your extortion and keeping the Rams in St. L. We'll spend the money for actual civic development, not lining the Wal-Mart billionnaires club.

 

Of course I don't think that. Why would it? They city didn't make the jersey and they don't own the team. It's a business, not a community outreach project.

You're looking at the minimal home game, in stadium jobs btw. You're not looking at the infostructure that depends on that team. You seem to be under the impression SL is going to be better off without a NFL team, and my contention is that it most certainly won't.

Now I will agree there are cities better suited for a NFL team. The residents of SL and surrounding areas don't have the disposable income other cities have, And the city itself has problems attracting free agents because, well, SL is a dump. I've been in some dumps in my life, and East SL is right up there.

 

The Lions did not save detroit.nothing will save these citys as long as we have these criminals in washington from this corrupt two party system running the country. But thats not true that the Rams will not flourish in Los Angeles.

Football is much bigger now than it was 20 years ago and LA fans are so football starved and so badly want the Rams back as I have proved thoughout this whole thread,that they will wont care about them winning,they just want them back.they will appreciate having them back so much that packed crowds will be no problem at all. The Rams thoughout most their history in LA were always in the top five in league attendance thoughout the country.

It was only in the early 90's when they got pissed off at the evil b!tch woman for getting rid of eric dickerson,toby harrah and many other greats and turned them into a loser so she could use lack of fan support to move them there, that fans stopped showing up for games.

 

In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...m-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion

I understand, most of you are fans of the sport and so am I....however the deeper you dig into the reality of the NFL "billionaires club" the more you'll understand it is a racket.
I like the sport of football, but owners are not concerned with. civic pride and investment in civic infrastructure it is secondary to an NFL owner. I will not miss the Rams and neither will the St. Louis economy. We're better off investing those millions that would go into a new stadium into the St. Louis infrastructure.

Another article...

The NFL Is An Extortion Racket

"build us a stadium or we'll leave"

http://davidfeldmanshow.com/nfl-extorts-money-politicians/

The fans are not aware of the Wizard behind the curtain...the NFL hype machine won't allow it.

Smart cites have learned not to host an NFL team.
http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/01/31/why-no-smart-city-would-want-the-nfl

 

Not to divert, but someone on a UK sports prog talking last week about the possibility of European NFL franchises starting up actually named Jacksonville Jaguars as being poised to move to London (with relevant name change)... Is that even possible?

 

the NFL is so corrupt its unreal.the cheatriots are the spoiled rich brats of the NFL.they get away with murder,they get so much special treatment in the NFL because Goodel has his head up KRAFTS arse.sean peyton gets suspended for bountygate for an entire season for an offense where there was far less evidence against him than Belicheats cheating and the NFL turns a blind eye to his cheating tactics.

Goodel is the worst NFL commissioner ever.He should go to jail and Kraft should lose ownership of the team.

the reason it is only FORMER NFL players speaking out on this and no current players or fellow owners are calling to have Kraft lose ownership of the team and to have Goodel dismissed is because they will get in bi trouble with the league if they criticise the NFL.Mike Holmgren get into big trouble with the seahawks for instance when he spoke the truth that he did not realise he would have to compete with the officials to win the superbowl against the steelers.

the NFL rigged it for them to win same as they rigged the game against the raiders so they could get to the superbowl that year.they also rigged the superbowl against the rams so they could win the superbowl and i was HAPPY the rams lost.i will never root for a Rams team that does not have the name LA in front of them

had i known the cheatriots had to cheat to be that phony fraud team in st louis to in,i would not have been so happy about them winning back then though.

 

Oh I know that.I know he doesnt care about LA as a city,that that is the only reason he is moving them because of profit.Kronke wont be able to leave LA high and dry though.The Rams will never leave LA again either.The NFL as long as it exists "personally i wish it would not since it is so corrupt." it needs to be reformed there is no question about that. But the Rams will never leave LA again because the NFL is going to make sure they dont lose that market again.

The NFL owners in fact back then did not want the Rams to leave LA back then.They all voted against the move and initially and only backed down and changed their votes approving of it ONLY because the evil slut women owner threatened to sue the NFL to leave.

they tried to stop the Rams from leaving LA and failed and then they tried to stop Davis from leaving and going back to Oakland not wanting to lose the LA market and then he sued them and moved them back giving LA the middle finger.

Nobody in LA would ever support the Raiders again if they came back since Davis took the trophy with him out of LA.

when Houston and Cleveland also left and moved away,the NFL finally got tougher on relocation rules and that is why the Rams situation is very unique because i dont know the exact details,but you have to fit a certain critera to relocate a team now and the Rams do where the Raiders and Chargers dont.

The Raiders and Chargers have all kinds of hurdles they would have to clear before they could even think about relocating.The Rams on the other hand,dont have those hurdles cause they do fit the critiera.

They tried to get an expansion team there in the early 2000's but thank god it did not work out because the ownership group that was behind it wasnt really serious about it where Houston was MUCH more serious about getting an NFL franchise and they awarded it to them thank god. I didnt want LA to have just ANY football team.I wanted the Rams and no other so i was happy they lost out and Houston was rewarded.

st louis rams is such a retarded and asinine name to call a football team.the only as stupid as that is arizona cardinals which i refuse to call them.I will always call them st louis cardinal and LOS ANGELES RAMS.LOS ANGELES RAMS sounds just oh so right,the Rams being allowed to move out of LA was a travesty of justice.thats like the yankees leaving new york for Las vegas or somethign for god sakes.

you havent been reading my previous posts cause i have proved throughout this whole thread mentioning it MANY times they ONLY stopped supporting the Rams in the early 90's when they got sick of the evil b!tch woman for trading away their great players eric dickerson,kevin greene,and toby harrah.

it had nothing to do with the Ram on field performance,they hated the b!tch woman who murdered her husband so she could move the Rams to st louis,they didnt get sick of the Rams, they got sick of the evil owner who is burning in hell now.

you ARE correct though on the Raiders that LA never cared about them.

The year the Raiders won a superbowl out there in LA,the next year for their home opener,guess what their home opener drew? a little over 45,000 fans.the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA,but nobody in LA cared.

The Rams on the other hand when they had their first home opener that year,what did THEY draw? a crowd of over "65,000."
which was an impressive feat i would say the fact they were playing in a stadium that was designed for BASEBALL with a small capacity crowd of 62,000.that game was obviously standing room only cause it was a sellout.

you are indeed correct that LA never embraced the Raiders,thats no debatable here.Dan Dierdorf said a couple months ago as a matter of fact that when he was a broadcaster for monday night games from 1987 to 1994 that the entire time he was there for ABC,the NFL never showed a monday night football home game for the raiders,that their games were always on the road cause they had such small crowds.

However I remember seeing MANY Ram games on monday night football in the decades on the 70's and a;; the way up to the late 80's because THEY packed them in.

there are THOUSANDS of Ram fans in LA that still follow them and cheer them on even though they left them.this DESPITE the fact the Rams have had 13 straight losing seasons.

I have LA people tell me they see thousands of people wearing Ram jerseys in disneyland all the time.

as i said earlier,the proof is in the pudding that that is false.just watch that game in san diego when the rams played there this past year and you will see for yourself that at LEAST half the fans in that stadium were going crazy jumping up and down cheering when the first score of the game came after rivers threw an interception that got ran in for a touchdown.

again,watch this short video here.Looks like THOUSANDS of Ram fans in LA want them back to me.dont you agree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL322ugc4Oc


I can post it,but if you wont watch it to keep up with the facts,then there is nothing i can do about that dude.lol

Kronke does not care about LA,that you are correct about.However he is NOT the bad guy here in moving them.the city of st louis is.Had they wanted them so badly,they should have fulfilled their end of the bargain agreement in their contract with the Rams when the witch moved them there.they did not and now they are trying to make him look like the bad guy here.

 

matter of fact it is looking more and more gloomier for the chargers all the time to stay in SD.the chargers told the city just yesterday they did not accept their proposal which is more than a fair offer to them.i always thought going back a year ago that it would be the chargers from the AFC joining them and that looks to be more and more the case.the NFL is going to screw things up one more time as usual.there will be nothing bu empty seats for charger games in LA i guarantee.

 

It sucks that the Cardinals left.I always liked it that both their baseball and football teams were both named st louis cardinals.but they deserve to lose the Rams.st louis fans are hypocrites.they have their football team stolen from them from the state of arizona and then knowing how bad that feels,they go and do the same thing and steal a team from another city that does not belong to them,freaking hypocrites.i will laugh my a$$ off at them when they lose the Rams.

 

Indeed.the NFL is a racket.Every NFL franchise should be run the way the packers are where the public owns the team so there is no way that team can leave their city.The celtics in basketball are owned by the fans as well.

 

LA's advantage is that the NFL needs them, the NFL does not need StL. We're a smaller market here in comparison and we don't support a losing organization for very long. The StL Cardinals football team only made the playoffs a few times in their existence here in StL. Eventually fans give up on a team the owners refuse to invest in.

We're a good sports town, despite what some say...and a good city, it's a not total dump as some claim. I prefer it here over Chicago, and I was born and spent my early teen years in Chicago. Many want the Rams to stay and there is a Stadium offer on the table. Kroenke will invest his own monies to build a stadium in Inglewood but refuses to do this in StL. This is why we dislike him. He does not care about StL, or civic pride. I don't know why this makes us hypocrites? Kroenke moved the Rams out of LA...and now he wants to move them back..not because he loves LA, clearly if he did he would have kept them there. He moved them out of LA because StL gave him a publically funded stadium. He made money moving the Rams out of LA and now he will make money moving them back.

Like I said, good riddance to Kroenke, you can have him. Just don't be surprised when you realize he's just another billionnaire driven by profit, not civic pride and certainly not fans of the game. The game itself is great....who doesn't love football?

Greed is ruining it....I will support the Packers if the Rams leave StL...a fan owned team. A team invested in the city that supports them. Kroenke is invested in his bank account...understand what motivates him. It is the acquisition of wealth, for better or worse...it is not the love of the game or the love of Los Angeles.

 

reread the post.st louis fans lost their cardinals to arizona after they stole them from you,they know how bad that felt.so what do they do after they lose an NFL franchise to arizona? they do the same thing.they go and steal a team from another city that does not belong to them and now fans and the city are whining about losing them?sounds like hypocrites to me.lol

same as the fans of baltimore,they go and have their team stolen from them from indianapolis and have their hearts broken for many years because of that. what do they do to get one back? same thing and steal one from cleveland. they were CALLED the baltimore ravens when they won their first superbowl but they were baltimore in name only.In reality,it was the cleveland browns that won the superbowl.the fans in st louis that were willing to take the rams and the fans in baltimore that were willing to take the ravens disgust me.

i wish baltimore would lose the ravens as well same as st louis is losing the rams. Here in kc there was talk of the pittsburgh penguins leaving there and have kc be their new team.

as much as I would LOVE for KC to have a hockey team,I wouldnt go there and watch any of their games and cheer them on.I am no thief like the fans in st louis and baltimore are.my parents drilled that it into me how stealing is so wrong.

apparently many jerk fans in baltimore and st louis did not have parents that drilled that into them how stealing was wrong.

 

Good baseball and hockey town but not a good a good football town.Like you said,the city does not support a losing organization very long.

st louis didnt even want the the rams to begin with,the first four years when they were so horrible,that place was half empty all time.i have a few friends there and they always told me how getting a ticket to a game there was easy as pie.PLUS in the game against the 49ers last year on monday night football,steve young in the pregame show just five minutes before the game started said-Will the Rams be in LA next year? We have an owner who wants to move them there and i dont blame him.I look around here and all I see is empty seats everywhere.

they are bandwagon fans,wasnt till kurt warner and marshall faulk came along and rescued them and they then started winning that fans showed up to the game.now that they are been losing for so many years now,they dont support them anymore.

many want them to stay? like the tiny dozen or show that showed up for the rally last year? oh and that stadium plan for them is a joke because st louis is bankrupt STILL trying to pay off the debt they owe on the current dome.thats one thing those two idiot drugheads in the media out there bernie and shane grey leave out in their ramblings all the time.those two are delusional nutcases.

I cant blame Kroneke for not wanting to invest money in a stadium out there.that stadium is half empty all the time with the majority of the crowds that DO show up always from the opposing team.

the papers report they have like 55,000 fans there but the actual PAID ATTENDENCE is only like 35,000 with around 25,000 being the opposing teams crowds.thats why they have the stadium so pooprly lit so you cant see the upper deck since it is so empty up there.even in the lower levels its empty.hee hee.

matter of fact sam bradford wanted out of there because of how bad the fan support was.He dissed the fans in his press conference in philly saying-wow theres more fans in this room than there is in st louis.

You look at Oakland though and they have been as horrible as the Rams have been the last 15 years or so as well yet despite that,THEY sold out every home game this year because they are passionate about their football.


Oh I already said I know he is bringing them back only because of greed not because it is the right thing to do but i could care less what his reason is for bringing them back,just as long as they are back.once they are back,the NFL will make sure it never loses them again not wanting to lose the market of LA and thats all that matters to me.

 

I came across some facts that disprove the myth that LA is not a football town like many have been led to believe over the years.The fans in LA are fickle when it comes to supporting the dodgers and the lakers when they are losing no doubt but thats not the case with football at all.

with the dodgers thats not surprising because baseball is not big anymore like it used to be.with so many games over the course of a year and the fact players dont stay with one team anymore,fans have gotten disgusted with baseball so unless they win out there,the fans dont support them. thats pretty much th way it is everywhere in the country though now these days except with the cubs and red sox.

with the lakers,the city ruined it allowing the Clippers to come there.with the Lakers losing and having another team to go cheer on that is winning,naturally they are going to clipper games now.


However that was never the case with the Rams that they had bad fan support though.

seems like nobody here comments on this and always ignores this when i bring it up no matter how many times i post it.

It wasnt till the early 90's when the evil b!tch woman owner traded eric dickerson,kevin greene,toby harrah and other Ram greats that fans got disgusted with the owner and stopped showing up for games cause they hated her so much.Had nothing to do with the team it was the owner.

she ran that team into the ground on purpose so she could make the claim to the NFL she did not have good fan support so she could move the team to st louis,her hometown birthplace.she murdered her husband so she could get control of the team and move them there.if her husband was still alive,the Rams would never have left and would still be there.

they were there for over 50 years for a reason.the majority of the time they were there,they were in the top 5 in league attendance.

 

this post has gotten ignored by everyone on here despite the dozens of times i have posted it here so i dont know why I bother to waste my time posting it again but here goes-


Heres the facts i came across that dispells the myth that LA is not a football town ANOTHER post here everyone has blatantly ignored DESPITE the dozens of times i have posted it here on this thread.

The reason the chargers left LA for san diego after playing there their first year in the old AFL was because they could not compete with the Rams for fan support out there.

their first year there in 1960 and you can look this up for yourselves,the largest crowds they drew there were just 21,000 around with their lowest being as bad as 9,000.lol. this DESPITE going 10-5 that year and making it to the divisional championship game against the Oilers.

The Rams on the other hand that same year though? their largest crowd that year was over 75,000 with the lowest being around 53,000. this DESPITE the fact they only had a losing record of 4-7-1.

Plus as I also have said here MANY times on this thread. The Raiders when they were in LA,the only fans that embraced them were the thugs. Dan Dierdorf who was a broadcaster for monday night football games from 1987 to 1994 said a couple months ago the entire time he was a broadcaster,all the raider games they did were always on the road because they did not draw well for home games.

The Rams on the other hand,they were on monday night football MANY times in the 1970's and 1980's.

The Raiders in their year they won a superbowl out there,the next year for their home opener,they only drew a crowd of about 45,000 or so.

MEANWHILE,the Rams in their home opener that same year,they drew a crowd over 65,000 for their home opener which was impressive since they were playing in a baseball stadium which was a dump. the OAKLAND Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA but nobody in LA cared.

LA is a football town when were talking about the RAMS its just not a Chargers or Raiders football town.major difference there.

 

the reason i will laugh my a$$ off more than anything at the stank louis fans there is their complete ignorance about the Rams history.some of them are such cluless morons that dont even know anything about their history when they make the ignorant asinine statement that they left because they never had fan support and LA is not a football town but more than anything,here is their ignorance on their history.there was this video made by the keep the rams in st louis group last summer where the founder of it and some other guy said the rams belong in st louis.

that comment made me want to puke,how the hell is it they belong in st louis when they had fifty years of history in LA and they dont even support them when they are losing? jesus christ. i would like to beat the snot out of those two ignorant idiots.they dont even seem to realise they played in LA before they came there.

 

with this idiot Goddel running the NFL,I wont be surprised if jacksonville is in London eventually.Goodel is the worst NFL commissioner ever,he is so corrupt.

 

adding on to my last post,the Rams never would have survived out there over 50 years if LA did not support winners.