Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

Which statement would you like me to defend first?

 

It's a discussion. I am, historically, one of the most ardent supporters of police on this forum. But this incident is indefensible.... well... by rational people at least.

 

You struggle with facts. He was told to keep his hands outside of the window, he was told to exit vehicle, he was told to keep his hands outside the window, he was told to exit the vehicle, rinse and repeat. AND all this time he had his seat belt on and then was told to reach into an obscured area

 

The officer stated that it was a traffic stop before he got out of the patrol car

 

It would be exceedingly rare, almost unheard of, for a felony stop to be initiated where no charges or citations were brought. The SOP requirements for a felony stop initiation were posted earlier in this thread in a response to you, none of which applied to this case. The call for a felony stop was made by Guiterrez to dispatch, requesting backup.. but he had no felony justification to back it up. He can, at his discretion, perform a felony stop without justification, but that will open his department up for lawsuits... as it did in this case.

Dispatchers don't call in felony stops. Officers making felony stops call it in.

He didn't count on the LT making a recording over which his department had no control, and that video going viral.

"...In the bodycam footage, Gutierrez is heard telling Nazario he had spoken with the police chief and had two options: the officers could either wait with him until he could drive home -- "go do your deployment, go continue serving my country" -- and release him without charges. Or they could "push the issue," write him a ticket for no license plate display and charge him with obstruction of justice.
"There's no need getting this on your record," Gutierrez is heard saying in the bodycam footage. "If you want to fight it and argue ... if that's what you want, we'll charge you, have you go to court, notify the commander, do all that," Gutierrez said."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/us/windsor-virginia-police-stop-army-lieutenant-lawsuit/index.html

Extortion. Coverup. What would you call this? Good police work?

You are defending the officers actions. The reason for the divide between the people and police in this country is because some officers behave like these cops did. The vast majority of cops would have handled this situation with respect and honor.

 

$1M is ridiculous for what happened. It really peeves me off that No win No fee lawyers are even allowed to operate. I wish there was a clampdown on these sort of excessive claims

 

I mainly address facts after investigations and official reports, unless I am witness to the fact myself. Are you going to tell me who punched 15 holes in the wall and what the Top Secret report on psychological experimentation on enlisted personnel had to say about it? No? Maybe, I might want to wait a little while till I have more information, instead of being a knee-jerk mob looting and burning ****...

 

You can easily be a witness to the facts yourself by watching the video. Don't pretend you aren't willing to comment until you have more information, because you have been more than willing to comment up until now. It's a fake concern. What I've said can be easily confirmed by watching the video and reading about the police report. The ability to review the facts, however, will require extracting your head from the sand.

 

At the fracking point Camo man was told to exit the valid reason to arrest was unknown by him, he then deliberately obstructed justice and then deliberately resisted arrest.

 

YOu know where you can shove yours.

 

If there were some sort of valid reason for arrest, there would have been charges instead of the police later lying about the events in order to make up excuses.

 

Into the facts? Yeah, that's what I've been doing. Feel free to join me. It's silly to avoid the facts just because they challenge your dogmas.

 

It makes it much more difficult since they did not have an ID of the person..........

Do you think that if the police pull you over you can tell them to take a hike and drive away come catch me later? REALLY?

 

And hundreds not so well. I am sure that turning a normal stop into a felony stop greatly increases the risk and stress for the citizen. In this case, the cops lied to make it a felony stop.

 

If they aren't lawfully detaining you or arresting you? Yes. You can legally tell them to take a hike and drive away. Now, you may be up against a crooked cop who will assault you for doing so, maybe even lie in the police report, but that's still your right.

 

And then lied after the fact in the police report to try to "justify" it.

 

He wasn't stopped for not reason.

But go ahead and do as he did, refuse to comply with the lawful commands of the police, argue with them, try to pull your military service on them if you are serving and see what happens. Me I will cooperated and in short order be on my way. As I noted earlier in the thread the very same type of stop happened to me 2 years ago. I had a temp tag on a car I had purchased earlier in the day. Blue lights came on behind and I pulled over. He asked me if I had my paperwork with me. I did and gave it to him he checked and I'm sure ran a check on me as is routine, came back and told me have a nice evening. That's all it takes.

So I give up you guys are right the correct thing to do is refuse those commands and argue and if they do try to remove you fight back. Just not the course I will take and we'll see who has a better day.

 

He as being lawfully pulled over and detained until he could prove ownership of the vehicle.

But go ahead and refuse those lawful orders and argue with the police and resist them if that's what you want to do, just don't come crying about it later.

 

He was stopped because the officer couldn't see his tag. Once he was pulled over, the tag was visible. There was no longer any justification for detaining him.

 

You need to threaten lethal force to retrieve proof of ownership?

Keep defending authoritarian criminal violence. Just don't keep crying that the criminal was fired for it.

 

I never knew that you wish to live in a police state and have all your rights removed

 

I suspected.

 

So you don't understand how rights work on this country? He was under no obligation to exit his vehicle. He had the right to tell the cops to go **** themselves, which is why he was let go and not charged. He did not break any law, and stood up for his rights.

 

I remember this report on the radio, they were looking for some rapists in a van that had raped several women, some kind of joy ride thing, the Atlanta police released the description of the van, the Atlanta Police did not release the description of the suspects. I saw a van that fit the description. So do I call in the your van that fits the description, if the police will have no valid reason to order you from your van, for what purpose do I contact them?

I have been released with no charges after valid reason for arrest many times.

 

Incomplete information. Sorry I have no opinion after seeing 2 cop cars had stopped him.