Biden Weighs Deploying Thousands of Troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics

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  1. ButterBalls

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    A race car driver! So what's a TFG ;)
     
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    Not if you take Oil and NG in to consideration.
     
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    Try coming up with something more current than May 2017. It is an opinion piece based on what Trump said in the campaign not based on anything he did as president.

    Trump did nothing to undermine NATO. In fact defense sp[ending increased significantly because of Trump.

    Why is it 75% our responsibility to protect European countries on European soil? All Trump asked them to do was spend 2% of their GDP on military. We spend 3.4%. Why is that a problem? Why should Germany only spend 1.2%? Germany who has an economy 2.3X bigger than Russia?
     
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    What does that mean? Ukraine's per capita GDP is half that of Mexico. They are a train wreck. Of course GDP includes oil and NG.
     
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    Interestingly, also a race car driver...

    What were THOSE odds??
     
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    The lie about NATO is beyond disgusting to me. Americans thinking that it is America's responsibility to provide military protection for those countries not the responsibility of those countries?

    The European union has an economy 10X that of Russia. They ought to be able to protect themselves. Russia has no powerful allies. Russia's military allies are Belarus and a few countries with stan at the end of their names. The Warsaw pact countries are now all part of NATO. This is a joke.
     
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    Sorry... May 2017 was the last time T**** appeared remotely interested in governing...

    I'm just glad we now have a POTUS who can spell NATO without being given the first 3 letters...
     
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    The Iran deal was moronic.

    We should not be providing 70% of the national security for a bunch of wealthy rich white countries. NATO exists to protect Europe so Europe has no need to defend themselves? Just let us do it? Finally a president who actually said these things.
     
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    Biden cannot even tell his care givers when he has a load in his pants.
     
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    Soviet war plans for fighting nato during the cold war called for an immediately knockout of Command and Control sites and air fields with tactical nukes before an all out blitzkriek style conventional attack. In other words, tactical nukes were their first thought and for us it was a last resort. We need to be very careful about what is or what is not in our national security interests.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-soviet-unions-insane-plan-crush-nato-battle-13355
     
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    Russia is not communist, and we have not defense deal with Ukraine. Russia did this same thing in 2018 and Dems were quick to argue it was because Trump was weak, anti-NATO and pro-Russia, and Republicans are using the same partisan arguments now. What do you expect? There isn't going to be any war between us.
     
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    Russia is not going to nuke anybody. WTF are you talking about?

    The Soviet Union along with the Warsaw pact countries of Eastern Europe were a threat to Western Europe. Russia alone is not.

    Russia's economy is the size of Italy and they are going to war with all of Europe?
     
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    All our NATO allies think otherwise.

    Anyway, you know absolutely nothing about this treaty.

    Isolationism led us to WW2.
     
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    I'm going to reveal Russia biggest and only European ally that could be helpful top them in a war with the rest of Europe.

    Belarus. Yep scared?

    A country of 9.4 million people with a third world type economy. Belarus has the 52nd largest military in the world.

    So it would be Russia on their own basically vs Europe.
     
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    Their economy is of centralized control. While not full communist it most definitely still carries those aspects and we do have the power to help Ukraine
     
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    So giving a country that hates us, the number one exporter of terrorism in the world a pile of money and access to billions more that previous were frozen was a good deal? :applause:
     
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    Iran has not received any money. This is Trumpian propaganda.

    The only reason Trump tore up the Iran/NATO treaty is because it was an Obama achievement.

    US companies have been waiting for 20 years for relations between the two countries to normalize so that they can invest in this virgin market.

    Because of Trump, hundreds of billions of dollars in business opportunities have been lost.
     
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    You libs are hilarious. You want the government to provide all these free things like health care. How do we pay for it if we have to also defend Europe? We can be friends and allies with them. We can certainly help but why in the hell are we responsible for 70% of their defense? That makes no damn sense.

    Trump was the only president who asked these obvious questions. Who cares of they don't like it. And if that is not bad enough we are the primary defense for Japan also. How idiotic. The 3rd and 4th most economically powerful countries in the world cannot at least half provide for their own defense?
     
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    Were you asleep all these years? Iran has engaged in war vs our country and others. Try taking our side for a change. They drone attacked the Saudi economy a blatant act of war.

    According to CNN we did give them money. You are arguing with the wrong person.
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html#:~:text=The money was flown into Iran on wooden,fifth American man was released by Iran separately.
     
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    We have the power to do many things, but that does not mean we should do it.

    No to Ukraine and no to Taiwan.

    If they want o buy some F35s like Finland did, then we can talk business.

    We don't have to dance just because Putin is playing his favorite song.
     
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    It doesn't make sense to you because you don't understand the geostrategic stakes of Eastern Europe.

    Putin does not only want Ukraine.

    He started with Crimea in 2014 and he saw that the reaction was moderate. His goal is to rebuild the USSR piece by piece.

    He is massing his troops on the borders of Ukraine because NATO's strategy to strategically isolate it is working.

    He is a dictator.

    So, he wants to kill democracy in all the countries that share a border with Russia.

    But I understand that a fan of Trump - himself an autocrat - doesn't find this very serious.
     
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    It was money to free prisoners.

    You don't break a treaty approved by all NATO countries for such a trivial matter.

    If it's so terrible for you, what about this?

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    Ehhh.... I don't think it was a direct payment.. I think that was just a coincidental part of the deal that hostages were released around the same time....

    How did this thread get from Ukraine (a failed T**** foreign policy) to Iran (a failed T**** foreign policy)??

    Was a decent deal, but even if it wasn't everything it might have been, you don't kill it in lieu of nothing else...
     
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    OMG the bullcrap is getting deep. So now you care about Ukraine? After Obama and Biden gave parts of it away practically? Crimea?

    After the richest woman in Russia(Eleana Baturina) sent Hunter Biden a wire for $3.5M just before that happened? It's called a bribe. Since you libs are obsessed with collusion you might be concerned that the widow of the former Moscow mayor is sending millions to your hero's crack head son.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...den-did-open-doors-business-enter-market.html

    Putin will not invade a NATO country. He's invaded The Ukraine and Georgia(Already) because they are not NATO. Did you demand a war when Russian troops rolled into Georgia in 2008 because they are still there?
     
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    Arkanis has convinced me. Biden needs to be impeached and possibly arrested and tried as a traitor. If Ukraine is that important to our national interests than the man who allowed the Russians the annex Crimea and whose son was employed by a pro Russian gas company should face charges.

    We might look at Dubya also for letting the Russians move into Georgia.

    Yury Luzhkov was the mayor of Moscow for 18 years. 1992 to 2010. Certainly one of the most powerful men in that country. So why was his billionaire widow giving Hunter Biden $3.5M in 2014 just before Russia made a move on Crimea?

    What if that money was given to Eric or Don Jr? The fake media would ignore it? You are the collusion fanatics.

    The same people who wet themselves over Konstantin Kilimnik and the untrue rumor that Michael Cohen might have taken a trip to Prague care nothing about a $3.5M bribe? What about the $5M the DNC paid to the Russians for dirt on Trump?

    So if you believe the Ukraine is essential to us we better start making some arrests.
     
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