Black Culture Pathology, What to do?

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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Two Black teenagers just beat to death a white World War II veteran for no reason. Beats boredom.
    An Australian baseball player was killed by three teenagers, 2 Black teenagers have been booked for the murder and a white teenager as an accomplice. Which I take means he was with the other 2 kids when they did it.
    The trial of the Black kids who shot a baby in a stroller in front of the mother is happening.
    The #1 cause of death of young black men are other black men.

    Yet Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Barak Obama comment on a Black youth shot dead while doing a "ground and pound" on a not Black man.

    When is Black Culture, a culture that has denied itself the benefits of attaining Middle Class status for a more Black experience -
    When is Black America going to be held accountable for a Black Culture pathology.
    When is White America going to stop feeling guilty and start demanding self reliance and boot strap improvement because all the decades of special admissions, job preferences, etc. has not made a dent in the problem. It is not too little. It is the wrong approach.
    Let's discuss.


    Moi :oldman:

    I am a white, recovered Liberal, if any Liberal can be truly recovered. :wink:
     
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    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

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    I understand there are socioeconomic problems going on but what is kind of disgusting about you guys is a white kid can shoot 20, 7 year old children to death, and all you care about is your gun rights... but when a black kid kills a single white person, it's time for an all out Civil War. Kind of transparent what your true motives are.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The “New Century Foundation” studies Federal crime reports, and found significant differences in crime ratio between races, verified by the FBI’s NCVS, National Crime Victimization Survey, and The Department of Justice’s UCR, Uniform Crime Reports, FBI Communication’s Division, 304-625-4995.

    They state emphatically that the Judicial System is not biased against minorities.

    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

    Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.














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    The “New Century Foundation” studies Federal crime reports, and found significant differences in crime ratio between races, verified by the FBI’s NCVS, National Crime Victimization Survey, and The Department of Justice’s UCR, Uniform Crime Reports, FBI Communication’s Division, 304-625-4995.

    They state emphatically that the Judicial System is not biased against minorities.

    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

    Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.

    Hispanics commit three times more violent crimes than whites, but the statistics are nebulous because sometimes they are classified as white, so it could be far higher.

    The best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percent of the population that is black and Hispanic.

    Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.

    Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites, 43 against other blacks, and 10 percent against Hispanic.

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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This wasn't news worthy I guess. It was only Whites being brutally murdered and never made national news. Hardly made the news at all.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We seem to recognize there is a problem.

    What is the solution?
    Special educational opportunities, job preferences, etc. is not the solution. It's been tried for over four decades.
    What is the solution?

    Moi :oldman:
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Homeland Security
    DHS employee spends spare time promoting race war against 'whites'

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...moting-race-war-against-whites/#ixzz2csBTrUdg

    A Department of Homeland Security manager in charge of buying weapons and ammunition for the government is, on the side, running an inflammatory website that throws around gay slurs and advocates the mass murder of "whites" and the "ethnic cleansing" of "Uncle Tom race traitors," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    Ayo Kimathi, who calls himself the “Irritated Genie,” told his supervisors that the website was set up to sell concert and lecture videos.

    But the report showed the site's content strayed far beyond concert promotion, warning about a coming race war. His website, “War on the Horizon,” declares, “in order for Black people to survive the 21st century, we are going to have to kill a lot of whites – more than our Christian hearts can possibly count,” the Alabama-based SPLC said in its report.

    One of Kimathi’s former supervisors at DHS told SPLC’s Hatewatch that, “Everybody is the office is afraid of him,” and that his co-workers are “afraid he will come in with a gun and someday go postal.”

    The supervisor, who was not named, continued, “I am astounded he’s employed by the federal government, let alone Homeland Security.”

    Kimathi, who works for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is a division of DHS, reportedly got the go-ahead from the government to create and maintain his website.

    That’s because as a law enforcement agency employee, he is required to get permission in writing if he engages in outside activities which includes everything from working a second job to volunteering.

    The SPLC says Kimathi obtained official permission but did it by misrepresenting the true nature of his site.

    “He told management that it was an entertainment website selling videos of concerts and lectures,” the report said. “He called it simply WOH, never saying that WOH stood for War on the Horizon.”

    ICE spokeswoman Gillian Christensen said in a written statement that the agency “does not condone any type of hateful rhetoric or advocacy of violence of any kind against anyone.”

    It is not known what disciplinary actions, if any, will be taken against Kimathi.

    “Every ICE employee is held to the highest standard of professional and ethical conduct. Accusations of misconduct are investigated thoroughly and if substantiated, appropriate actions in taken," she said.

    Kimathi's site even includes President Obama, who is technically his boss, on its own enemies list.

    According to the WOH website, the organization was “created for the purpose of preparing black people worldwide for an unavoidable, inevitable clash with the white race. Whites around the world are absolutely determined to exterminate Afrikan people in all corners of the earth."

    The mission statement also claims to prepare blacks intellectually, spiritually, psychologically and physically for “a global clash that will mean the end of white rule on this planet or the end of the black race as we know it.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...moting-race-war-against-whites/#ixzz2csBwAux0
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a lot of things that go into the answer. The biggest one is trying to get Black women to have less babies when not married. Right now it's around 80%. Kids growing up without a father to guide them are more likely to get in trouble. This latest killing of that foreign ball player is a prime example.

    Quit playing up White crime against Blacks and holding back Black crime against Whites. It makes it sound like there is a war against Blacks. Which only angers them.

    Black leaders need to talk to Black kids and stress how important it is to stay in school. Black ministers need to stress on Blacks how important it is for fathers to support their children and how important it is to stay out of gangs. Once you quit school and go to jail, you cut your chances drastically of ever getting a good job. Right now Black leaders condemn people who try and stress on Blacks about being more responsible citizens. That is crazy.

    We need to have more boys and girl clubs that kids can go to which would help keep them out of gangs.
     
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    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0711.pdf

    There are 314 Million Americans.

    White 63% = 197,820,000
    Hispanic 17% = 53,380,000
    Black 13% = 40,820,000
    Asian 5% = 15,700,000


    While it is true that a higher percentage of Black live below the poverty line, it is NOT true that there are no whites living below the poverty line.

    All Races 14.3% of all Americans = 44,902,000
    Whites 12.3 % = 24,331,860
    Black 25.8% = 10,531,560
    Asian 12.5% = 1,962,500
    Hispanic 25.3% = 13,505,140

    So, of the 44 Million people living in poverty, over half, 24 Million, are white.

    In other words, there are more White Americans Living in Poverty than all of the other races combined.

    There are 2.3 Whites Living in Poverty for every Black Living in Poverty.

    As a percentage by race, Blacks and Hispanics have nearly the same poverty rates.

    Here is an FBI crime breakdown by Race:

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

    Arrests by Race, 2011

    View attachment 21958

    Note that Hispanics in this data are considered white.


    Murder by Race Offender

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

    View attachment 21959

    If these murders were caused by poverty, one would expect to see 2Xish the number of White Murders, but instead Blacks commit 38%.

    Sorry, Black violent crime is NOT primarily caused by poverty.

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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    Uhm... sorry but I think the such conclusions have been banned.
     
  11. Kurmugeon

    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

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    Reallllly?

    And why would that be?

    Because I use logic and reliable data to look at the issue of a correlation between violence and poverty by race and find that there is no evidence of a linkage...

    Or because Political Correctness needs there to be a link, to justify taking huge new amounts of the working, productive people's money to redistribute to prevent further attacks?

    Exactly what is the difference between this and Mobster "Insurance" Extortion? The fact that based on Race and run by the Government?

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    More that black culture, i would speak of american black culture, as black americans have nothing to do with their black african heritage culture anymore. It doesn't matter much anyway, because if things go on like this, in a short time there will be no more difference between being black and white... we will all think and be the same way, just as elites want it. And i still don't know if this will result in a better world or an awful one.... i guess there will be a lot to gain for govs though.
     
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    Wisdom dictates avoidance of any area dominated by the violent aspects of black culture, both by those individuals wishing to avoid the risk and business unwilling to be targeted. This unfortunately perpetuates the downward spiral of the community economically, adding even more to the poverty that plays a role in the violence....basically a catch 22 situation.

    For those in the community itself, short of standing up to the violent persons (Gangs and such), there is very little they can do. If the police decide to increase presence in these areas they are often critiqued for profiling or racism and thus seldom bother to do so.

    Personally....I just stay away and spend my money in safer communities.
     
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    No it is caused by hopelessness. White kids in poverty have a vision of getting out played out for them in many arenas. We don't see that for African American kids. It seems many wealthy blacks shun the poor neighborhoods they escaped. Those that don't often bring a conservative message that is heard as "white", think Bill Cosby. Areas were black people have succeeded like entertainment and sports also carry with them an antiauthority culture as well be it real or facade. I don't have the answer. I can't solve it. What I can say is that more it doesn't help when we equate things unequal.
     
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    We're already trying out some ideas as solutions. Just recently, a theater sought the aid of armed Police officers to be present for "The Butler". The blackies had to watch the whole film while the armed cops watched them. Now that's the type of common sense "attention where needed" solution we can use!

































































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    I was being facetious.
     
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    I know... but I chose to respond as if I were speaking to those who would ban such, in part to give my Opinion out why this rather obvious data has not been presented in the debate, moving the issue past Justifying Pandering, rather than looking for root causes.

    I would have presented such in the original post, but it helps to put a division between the facts and their logical conclusions, and opinion based speculations on motivations.

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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    OK. That's fine. I guess you're also aware too that facts mean little in this forum. Hell, posting more than one sentence will lose a substantial portion of readers.
     
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    Thank goodness! I don't know what I would have done if we had not had ANOTHER thread about this very topic with this exact approach. Let me paraphrase your post for you.

    When are we going to....as a nation in an official capacity.....start telling black Americans that their culture really, really sucks and should be dismantled?

    When....oh when....are we going to announce and codify the truth that the past never happened and that the troubles that plague our black brothers and sisters are internal in every way. We must stop pretending that things happen which affect other things. This matter MUST be viewed in a bubble or it will never be solved!

    After all.....we have GIVEN these people EVERYTHING that they have demanded since the 60's and just look what it has gotten us! When will the guilt-ridden white elites realize that the best way to end violence in the black community is to end all social welfare programs. If they are just hungry and needy enough, they'll get up off their asses and move to a place with jobs just waiting for them!

    When? When I Ask!
     
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    Or maybe we should just ask, when, oh when, are we going to stop blaming the past (over which we have zero control) for all our woes and step up to the plate and do something about the present (which we can affect)?
     
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    Only Blacks can save themselves. Picture a Black Authority having special police powers combing the ghettos.
    Terminating many. Birth control implants. Sterilizations. However, we will continue the failed policies of 50 years
    until the time of social explosions.
     
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    Well, I'm typing one-handed hunt and peck these days, left hand is disabled by a kidney problem and its side effects. It took me several hours to make that post, so I'm glad at least one person reaf it.
     
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    I doubt that. I've heard self esteem figures that would bolster hope are through the roof in the USA and they shouldn't be as, in too many academic ways, we suck badly. All of us of all races. I do think, due to past outrageous racial injustice, black people in the USA were uniquely positioned to be harmed by many of the Left's "new ideas". Many of the most socially destructive pathologies that disproportionately harm Black people are increasingly affecting white people too.
     
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    That is not how it will go down.

    In the name of "Social Justice", after we have allowed our selves to be disarmed, spied out, categorized, and false accusation labeled, they will send "civilian army" DHS squads into the suburbs to cull the white rabble and redistribute the houses, cars, jobs, to those in ghetto.... if we are stupid and guilt ridden enough to let them... or the bloodiest civil war in all of history.
     
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    If you want to fix their problems you have to take away their entitlements. Make them less dependent upon whites and the government and more dependent upon themselves. No food stamps, no welfare, no child tax credits, stop rewarding a woman for having 8 babies with 8 different baby daddy's.

    They have so many problems because they have an entitlement mentality and they come from drug ridden broken homes. Make them more dependent on themselves and stop giving them incentives to have broken homes. If anything provide an incentive to get married and stay that way.

    Obviously this won't fix everything but its a good start.
     

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