California BANS the sale of NEW gasoline powered cars in 2035 & beyond.

Do it all the time. Have you bought a pack of cigarettes lately?

 

Just because its done doesn't mean its right.

Let's talk about cigarettes. I'm a grown adult, if I decide to have a smoke, who are you or government to try and "discourage" me?

Seems a bit arrogant to think that opinion matters in my personal life. No?

 

The green nuts want to boost ethanol to 15%. I can get 93 here but it's about $13 dollars a gallon. The entire state of Alaska is ethanol free at around $2.50 a gallon for regular. This needs to be national, ethanol has no proven benefit to the environment it's just a power trip for the greenies.

 

It's a gift to the farmers is what it is.

 

Well, it will have to, if not decline, or there will be collapse. We’ve already exceeded the planets carrying capacity. It is held up artificially by fossil fuels, but time is running out for that.

 

Supposedly they are working on a million mile battery which can be recharged an infinite number of times.

 

I guess you are conveniently unaware of what the it costs the government to treat people with lung disease?

 

Damn, we get the ethanol free 93 for less than 3$ here.

 

yes and they were working on a CNC lathe that you could stick the blue print in the slot and it would program itself. They aren't there yet. This universe is dominated by entropy every thing wears the hell out. There will be no such battery now or ever. Better chance for cold fusion.

 

Are you aware that these batteries pose a much bigger threat to the environment than fossil fuels? Gasoline when combusted has residual by products that are mitigated by emission controls and over time have become far less toxic to the environment. Gasoline when used is consumed and leaves nothing but the aforementioned mitigated pollutants. Even the best battery technology still leaves you with a battery that has a shelf life and what to do about what will become billions of discarded batteries. Each battery has to be replaced at least once over the life of the car. An electric car battery can cost as much as $5000 dollars to replace making a used electric car purchase undesirable and so junk yards will overflow with them and they will require expensive processing to recycle. One must also consider the manufacturer's ethics in the rush to get these things to market, do you think they are more mindful of the environment or profit? This is American consumerism at it's worst, we always want the next new thing, the shinier the better and damn the consequences. We've done it with everything we buy and our purchasing far exceeds our abilities to properly dispose of what we no longer want. The Green industry is a perfect example, solar and wind have failed miserably to deliver on their great promise and in a decade or two we'll be up to our eyeballs in the waste from that. Solar farms will become brown fields from abandoned, deteriorating, no longer functioning solar panels which contain many toxic materials. It's let the buyer beware. I considered leasing land to both communication and solar companies. In my area this is very profitable in the short term. I gave my attorney the paperwork and after some digging the chain of responsibility ends up with the landowner. These companies have armies of lawyers and wrap themselves in layers and layers of smaller companies that drift in and out of existence. So heretofore beautiful natural settings become blighted by eyesores and in the end become unusable.

 

Technically, here in Massachusetts ethanol free fuel is illegal and can only be sold by licensed businesses. There is nowhere here to buy it at the pump. So the businesses that sell it are limited to how much they can sell, the consumer can only buy so much and a hefty amount of the $13 dollar price tag is a "Green" tax. I buy it 5 gallons at a time and when I use it in a few 2 strokers I mix it myself. I was buying the premix stuff but it comes out to about $20 to $30 dollars a gallon. I do a 50/50 mix for my lawn mowers and that cuts the ethanol to 5%. At the end of the season I let the mowers run out and then put a little 93 in them and let them run out again before I put them away. I used to have an old Massey Ferguson tractor with gang mowers but it got harder and harder to climb up onto and harder to get down from so I let a lot of it go to field. Now I putt around on a little Cub Cadet and mulch the grass so I don't even have to empty a catcher.

 

im opposed to that too.

So you are saying that government gets involved, causes problems, and then tries to rectify said problems with more control?

How about this crazy idea. Get government out of it. If somebody decides to smoke, fine. If they get lung cancer, that's on them.

I value freedom of the individual far more than nanny state of the collective.

Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.

 

So it is okay with you that most everyone will be unable to retire or afford healthcare in old age?

 

We drown in easily obtained and environmentally sound energy. The sun alone provides us with about a 1000x more than we will ever need it's just diffuse, all we need do is concentrate it, which we can do using that energy itself

 

Mass transit is not meant to totally replace cars.

 

We should have suicide booths like in Soylent Green, but wait, that's what Corvid is for.

 

Can you show me this electric car you just put out in the sun and it will run for 300 miles at 60 mph? California already mandates solar energy and they are having rolling blackouts and can't meet demand and now Newsome wants to make all cars electric which could what double or triple that demand? Where are you going to put all these not environmentally friendly HUGE solar panel farms? A pipe dream. Unless they go nuclear I can imagine they will be limiting on what days you can drive your car based on even odd license plates or something.

 

I can get it but only 87 octane. My Sonata is turbo and will run it but I like to run the 91-93 and get higher compression and my BMS Z4 is high compression and runs better with the higher octane. Don't know why they don't see the ethanol free at the higher octane because it is the sports cars and older high compression car owners who would buy it religiously. Yeah I know the computers in some will regulate the timing to run the lower octane but that is not the point in owning such a car. I want that higher compression without precompression knocking.

 

Does this mean they will have charging stations built all over the place? Won't that be fun, out in the 100 degree heat of CA, stuck in traffic with the AC blowing in your all electric car. What happens in this high heat if your car's battery runs out, and you are stuck in traffic? Will CA state highway have charging vehicles? When you finally get to your work, ad there is no charging station, and you will not have enough battery life to get back home, then what?

The same goes for driving to see a sporting event, or go shopping, etc... If there are no charging stations all over the place, a lot of people will be stuck.

 

Yup, are they gonna build the power plants to service such a huge electrical power demand? Doubtful, dems won't think that far ahead. The load spikes will be huge. The load demands alredy spike at around the time people start getting home from work, and that's just from turning the lights and TV on. Imagine the spikes when people are plugging in thousands and thousands of electric cars in just the first year

 

Electric vehicles are anything but green. The electricity used to charge these vehicles is the product of burning fuel and there is not enough power on a hot day to prevent rolling blackouts without cars charging.

 

Dirty Donald is the one pushing ethanol as an additive, it's part of his payoff to the mid west farm vote he received.

 

This should be a nationwide thing. Turn gas stations into charging stations.

 

I agree. Solar power is where it's at.

Here is a cool conceptual image by Mattias Loster.

https://www.ez2c.de/ml/solar_land_area/

 

Dirty Donald will not be too happy the oil and gas industry contributed over $1.2 Million to his campaign in 2016 and have already contributed over $1.6 million to his 2020 campaign. The relaxation and roll back of all those environmental regulations by Dirty Donald have clearly paid big dividends for Dirty Donald.