California BANS the sale of NEW gasoline powered cars in 2035 & beyond.

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know how it works. My issue is when taxpayers have to provide benefits to people working full time, even though they have a full time job. People call them losers. They are working hard. They just are making 600% less than the top guy. It didn't used to be that way.
     
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    CA is already having electrical black outs.
     
  3. garyd

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    That is produced by high taxes and regulations because it zeris out competition for labor. No completion for labor few if any successful startups and voila the rich get richer by paying politicians and lawyers instead if machinists and welders.
     
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  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, we need an infrastructure deal for the entire countries electrical grid

    think how many jobs that would create too
     
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    So, you really don't know where the power will come from.... telling. Do you suppose batteries just magic and fill themselves?
     
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    You mean power to charge those electric cars? Why, the Magic Thinking Battery Company, of course! The miners and processors of that massive rare-earth deposit Newsome just KNOWS is below Sacramento.

    It'll make a lovely latrine for San Francisco.
     
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    Got any idea of the various contract entities which would have to agree? The local power companies as well as the larger ones? Municipalities running their own systems would need to get voter approval.

    The best they'll get is getting certain protections made standard against EMP attack. Protecting against brownouts is a local infrastructure matter compared to guarding against say a nuclear attack crippling the power supply.
     
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    CA should focus on generating more electricity instead of leeching off the national grid.
    Instead they will experience even more blackouts as they shutdown their remaining nuclear plants. Stupid is as Newsom and his DP does.
     
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    Get back to me when we have cheap room temperature super conductors...
     
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  10. FreshAir

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    do you know where the gas you buy comes from? all I know is it's there when I need it....
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    this is what happens when for profit companies handle it, your saying the government should take it over?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so your against improving our countries electrical grid?
     
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    The government exercises total control over the electrical power industry.
    Private industry would never put itself in a position where blackouts prevented it from selling electricity.
     
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    Nope I'm all for it just pointing out that currently there is the rest if the country can do to save California from its own stupidity. By the way getting rid of Fossil fuels means getting rid of one of the primary sources of highway maintenance funds.
     
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    Yeah government essentially runs it now.
     
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    Dirty Donalds new anti environment new EPA chief is now raising objections to Gov. Newsom's decision.
     
  17. FreshAir

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    no they don't, it cost more money to handle the spikes, and sounds like the local power companies are not up to the task

    a new power grid would help with that
     
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    Reducing fossil fuels is the short term goal, once all cars are electric then when we do come up with the alternatives it will be an easier switch

    technology keeps improving, once day maybe even you and I will drive one
     
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    How do you plan on financing the roads fossil fuel taxes now do that.
     
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    I don't know, bet the horse and buggy folks wondered the same thing

    this is new technology, sure they will find a way and it will all work out and in 100 years they won't give it a second thought

    then the question may be, where ya going to find gas for that old non-electric car

    all I am saying is it's the battery that has kept me from going to electric
     
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    Nope they didn't. Horse and buggy makers became auto makers as often as not. Horse shoe makers learned to make leaf springs etc
     
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    In fact, the electric utilities in CA are heavily regulated by the state. Improving the grid is a good idea, but if CA wants to outlaw the internal combustion engine it had better start building lots of new power plants ASAP.

    "Energy and climate change[edit]
    See also: Climate change in California and California Energy Commission
    The CPUC regulates investor-owned electric and gas utilities within the state of California, including Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison, Southern California Gas and San Diego Gas & Electric. Among its stated goals for energy regulation are to establish service standards and safety rules, authorize utility rate changes, oversee markets to inhibit anti-competitive activity, prosecute unlawful utility marketing and billing activities, govern business relationships between utilities and their affiliates, resolve complaints by customers against utilities, implement energy efficiency and conservation programs and programs for the low-income and disabled, oversee the merger and restructure of utility corporations, and enforce the California Environmental Quality Act for utility construction.[22]" Wiki

    Of course, if voters want to sit in the dark and wait for a new power grid they just have to keep voting for Democrats.
     
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    Nope merely asking him how he plans on keeping the grid in his state up and running when he can't meet current needs.
     
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    they are not outlawing it, they are gonna ban the sale of them 15 years from now
     
  25. Ddyad

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    To ban or restrict is to outlaw. Look it up. :)
     

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