Can I convince PF's resident no-planers that AAL77 hit the Pentagon - #3

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  1. cjnewson88

    cjnewson88 Active Member

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    http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz

    The site contains:

    Still not convinced? Why not?

    Do not derail this thread. This is only discussing the Pentagon and blog contents.
     
  2. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    The craft (if there even is a craft) behind the gate-lifting mechanism in this picture is too short to be a 757.
    http://www.911-strike.com/ldsxox1.gif

    This alone closes the whole case. A 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.


    Tell us if this info makes you suspicious.

    http://physics911.net/georgenelson/
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    In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft — and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.
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    More here at the 1:55:25 time mark.

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M
     
  3. Katzenjammer

    Katzenjammer New Member

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    Physical evidence of "FLT77"
    where is the wreckage and how much was recovered and was any of it ever examined and verified that it was indeed "FLT77"?

    What do you have? No case without the murder weapon.
     
  4. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    CJNewson

    You have not convinced me, for all you have done is present again a story that is contradicted by every bit of evidence available. Katzenjammer's point is right on--nobody has been able to examine the wreckage to verify serial numbers and such, and that can be said about all the aircraft supposedly involved in the events of the day.

    The FDR information provided by the government is bogus. An expert named Dennis Cimino examined that data, and it was not even assigned to an airframe. A hoax, like everything else.

    The frames from the parking lot camera show an object much too small to be a 757.

    Those folks who saw an airliner fly over that gas station clearly and unanimously put the airplane's trajectory and location where it could not match the official story.
     
  5. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    "Can I convince PF's resident no-planers that AAL77 hit the Pentagon"

    Why? I would think your time would be better spent scrutinizing the OCT than being a rabid defender and apologist.
     
  6. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Those who are not convinced will never be "convinced" since they do not want to accept the truth. They shall continue getting what they perceive as information from UFO_Radio and Little-Green-Men TV.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why have you superimposed an aircraft into the image that is perpendicular to the camera? Is that intended to be a measuring device?

    You realize that the aircraft was not travelling in a direction parallel to the plane of the image, right?
     
  8. Katzenjammer

    Katzenjammer New Member

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    The fact remains that "FLT77" was never accounted for
    in that the wreckage was never forensically verified as to having been from the allegedly hijacked airliner.
    where is the murder weapon?
     
  9. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I dealt with this years ago.
    http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7208375&postcount=243

    The link in the above post that shows an overhead view of the Pentagon is dead. With an overhead view of the Pentagon it's possible to locate the exact positions of the front and back of the craft that's behind the box. We know the height and length of the Pentagon and the length of a 757. We can use either the length or the height of the wall to get the scale. Getting the length of the craft that's behind the gate-lifting mechanism housing is easy. In the above link I used the height of the Pentagon wall.

    If we can find a big enough overhead picture of the Pentagon, we can verify this. We can see where the lines are by finding the objects in the background in a frame from this video...

    Pentagon 9/11 Plane Crash Video 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFqXbfv_yg


    ...on an overhead picture. Once we have all the lines drawn, getting maximum possible length of an object behind that housing is easy.


    Another thing:

    Doesn't the serial number issue make you a little curious?
    http://physics911.net/georgenelson/

    An objective truth-seeker would be wondering about this.
     
  10. cjnewson88

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    As usual, the resident "truther seekers" here didn't even visit the blog they are now criticizing.
     
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    For those of us with marginal computer resources,
    please be so kind as to post any one of your 100 points for discussion here.
    this will be the second time I've asked you to make your case in this forum,
     
  12. cjnewson88

    cjnewson88 Active Member

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    Stop making nonsense excuses. You sit on conspiracy sites and youtube all day, I'm sure you can visit a blogger page.
     
  13. Bob0627

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    Here are a some papers written by those who don't buy the OCT.

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/Calibration of altimeter_92.pdf

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/Wyndham1.pdf

    http://www.scientificmethod911.org/docs/Honegger_Hypothesis_042916.pdf

    None of the above buy into the ace pilot Hanjour fairy tale though. I personally have a huge problem with the whole Pentagon OCT story for the many reasons already posted, especially with the deliberate failure to conduct a required forensic airplane crash investigation.
     
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    Prove your claim ..... what do you have?
    stop speculating about what you believe I'm up to and either present your case or(?)
     
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    You don't need a "forensic" investigation when you know what caused it to crash.

    If you bother looking through the blog you will see nothing Hani Hanjour did was "ace", in fact it was very poorly executed.
     
  16. Katzenjammer

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    Claiming that you don't need an investigation because you know what happened is so lame!
    can anybody who supports the official version of events provide documentation as to how much of "FLT77"
    was recovered and accounted for? and how did they account for it?
    where is the INFORMATION?
     
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    On my blog.
     
  18. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    still spamming the board trying to drum up visitors for your blog eh

    - - - Updated - - -

    think about it, its the last thing the perps would want.
     
  19. Katzenjammer

    Katzenjammer New Member

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    "On my blog."


    So in other words
    without being able to access the sacred blog
    there can be no discussion of the issue? what?
     
  20. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    I already responded to that silly claim from another poster with like mentality. What's interesting is that the mentality from two different posters is virtually identical. Are you both the same person or do you go to the same School of OCT Defense?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=457994&page=12&p=1066231766#post1066231766
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    no one has a need to until you produce a big assed pile of plane scrap that has not yet been found on the any of the sites.

    [​IMG]

    :roll:

    Then you will convince everyone without a blog full of bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  23. Katzenjammer

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    Isn't this going just a bit over the top? The fact remains that if one ONLY looks at the video of the alleged "FLT175" penetrating the south wall of the south tower like a hot knife through butter, and also the video of WTC7 collapsing ( allegedly from OFFICE FIRES )
    really that is all you need to KNOW that something is VERY wrong with the official story.
    The allegation that the TRUTH is known and its all about hijacked airliners ( etc.... ) GIVE ME A BREAK!
     
  24. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    FFS, even Rense has gobs of photos of airplane debris inside the Pentagon:
    http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

    More here:
    http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

    And then there's the fact that Flight 77 took off that day, and never landed anywhere. And that we recovered the remains of people who were on the flight. And that multiple eyewitnesses saw a commercial jet hit the Pentagon. And that they recovered the voice and data recorders from the crash site.

    So we have two possibilities:

    -- Flight 77 hit the Pentagon;
    -- The government spirited Flight 77 away, killed everyone on board, removed the flight-data recorders, loaded the bodies and recorders on a different plane, and smashed THAT plane into the Pentagon -- all in the space of a few hours.

    I'm curious why 9/11 Truthers think the second explanation is the reasonable one.
     
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    "Rense has gobs of photos" Wonderful .... However, what was done with the wreckage?
    was it ever weighed, measured by volume, or in some way accounted for as to be able to say
    90% of the aircraft was found or for that matter even 50% of said aircraft,
    you don't have physical stuff just disappearing ..... where did it go if it was not accounted for?

    On the subject of recovering and accounting for stuff, whats up with the line of people who appear
    to be searching the ground for (?) whatever small bits can be found, but there is a whole line of people
    visible in some of the pix of the outside of the Pentagon, and they are all looking down as if scanning the ground for (?)
    if on the one hand the accounting for the wreckage amounted to only pix, and on the other there was a meticulous search
    for any small bits that may have been left on the Pentagon lawn ..... this does not add up, what are these people doing?

    The questions abound and the lack of answers is very telling.
     

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