Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

Trump merely is the boss over government workers. i am no government worker and he is not my boss. I voted for him to make a huge change to government. I am sick of Democrats and their enormous penchant for laws and taxes. Cut it out Democrats. You are not my boss either.

 

The real question is how can people who claim to be Christian embrace a man like Trump and be so full of hate for half the people of this world based on those people's race, gender identity, religion, poltical leanings, et al? Liberals are far more 'Christian,' i.e., Christlike, than almost any person I've ever met who claims to be a Christian.

 

I agree. Jesus Christ was a liberal.

 

If Jesus was a liberal, why is it that Democrats either do not accept Jesus or outright claim he is their enemy?

The term liberal used by Democrats is snake oil. They do not intend to sound religious.

 

You declaring we are full of hate does not make your statements true. Rather based on my long interaction with republicans, we have more true love than do the Democrats. Your list of hates is wrong. Clearly shows you still do not understand republicans. Mom was both a LDS and a Democrat. Mom acted more like she had love, so in my heart I know that not all Democrats are evil. But you believe we are full of hate and evil. Sad to read you admit that.

I have outlined many times why I believe the Democratic party is evil.

1. Their constant laws
2. Their constant taxes
3. Their constant attack on the consitution
Oh there is far more.

 

I don't see the milk of human kindness flowing from the so called "liberals" on this site. The one thing Christ tried to teach us was to change the world by changing ourselves, and you can't do that when you're trying to tell the rest of us how to live, what to think, and how to vote. You should make some kind of effort to live with your fellow man instead of telling is how superior you are.

 

They like to highjack Jesus when it suits them.

 

I'm sure you can. I'm a liberal and an atheist but I live a life that follows the Christian teachings more than most Christians do and I have no trouble.

 

An atheist who loves God and loves his neighbor. Who knew that was possible?

 

To any atheist, ponder the term atheist. It includes theist.

Ponder the universe. I ask you to move back in time to when nothing existed of the temporal nature. The physical world we know was not around. Life as we now describe it did not exist.

Imaging an awesome power. So powerful it far exceeds all known nuclear activity, from H bombs to the production of stars. Stars are far more powerful than are H bombs.

Try to imagine a sterile earth. A planet that finally was graced by water. Water for a long time was super hot. It was steam much of the time. So what created the elements of hydrogen and oxygen?

I am speaking of creating them from nothing.

Super awesome power that I refer to as GOD.

GOD far exceeds the race of men or animals. GOD actually can and does create.

A person should first be a theist and not rush to judgment there is no GOD.

The Bible is written by human beings of our past. But even though not scientific at the time, they did inquire. Atheists seem to have stopped inquiry. A true scientist is no atheist.

 

You cannot be a "progressive" and also be a Christian. In fact, you cannot be a "progressive" and also have any deeply felt religious faith.

"progressives" believe in big govt, they believe its the job of the govt to provide charity and set moral and enforce standards, not the individual. That's in direct conflict with Christianity (and Islam).

Not to mention that "progressives" want to abolish religion from politics, the public square in general, and all of society.

 

Well, if true, and I am not saying that it is, but if true it would be a paradigm shift in understanding of reality. Materialistic determinism would be dead. And that would have wide reaching consequences.

 

The data does not support that claim. Arthur Brooks book Who Really Cares shows that religious people are far more compassionate by every measure than atheists, and the large majority of religious people are conservatives/Republicans. Brooks was a noted lefitist/liberal at the time he researched the book.

 

That's just not true: absolutely not true. Almost every person I've ever dealt with who claimed to be a Christian was mean spirited, mean in general, far from compasionate, nothing at all what you are describing. Cold, mean, judgemental, self-righteous, vicious, horrible, horrible people. The only ones who believe so-called Christians are better people are so-called Christians because they are self-righteous and mean spirited and need to feel superior.

 

You really follow Christian teachings, but are an atheist?

What was Jesus #1 instruction to his followers? They are called the Great Commandment and the Great Commission.

The Great Commandment is (Matthew 22:36) "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment." That's the Christian God Jesus is referring to, not an abstract religious concept.

The Great Commission is (Matthew 28:16) "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. "

An atheist cannot follow either one.

What you probably refer to are deeds. In Christianity, good works are centered around Jesus and God, works are done out of reverence to God and to follow the Great Commandment and the Great Commission. The "Golden Rule" is stated immediately after the Great Commandment, and is not about simply doing good deeds but has an overwhelming religious context.

To be clear, you live a "good" life and try to do the right thing, and since the USA was founded based on Judean-Christian principles, your life has similarities to a Christian, but it is not a Christian life.

 

Read the book. Do something unique and set aside your prejudice, and look at the actual data.

Brooks uses govt data, data from secular and religious charitable groups, and census data. Charitable organizations spend a lot of effort in studying people out of efficiency, they want to target their advertising and contribution campaigns where they will do the most good (bring in the most money and volunteers). His book is a statistical analysis, not an ideological diatribe. And Brooks was a liberal at the time.

 

I don't care what he said: it's one person's opinion. I've lived in this world 66 years and I know what my experience tells me: most Christians are complete hypocrites, are nothing like Christ, are the opposite of humble, and are mean, vicious people. Nothing any book will ever say will change my mind. Nothing.

Christians are the ones who caused the Holocaust, killing millions of innocent people. Don't forget that. They are no better than Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. I wouldn't trust anyone who called him/herself a Christian as far as I could throw 'em. Horrible people.

 

I hate to say this but you sound a lot more totalitarian...I’ve made an observation and it seems that right wingers who don’t want to identify with Trump have suddenly become libertarians...
I want to know how you’ll react when they erode your Medicare and social security I wonder if you have grandchildren and if you do don’t you think you should be concerned about the environment for them? Or is that too totalitarian. What about college education? Damn liberals want college to be affordable. But then again that goes against your libertarianism
Please tell me how it’s going to change your life!

 

What are the features of a communist that the alleged liberals do not share?
1. Belief in GOD
2. Belief in state
3. Belief state can manage our lives

State wants to manage our lives by passing gun laws for instance.
4, Belief state knows the best tax laws.

 

"I don't care what he said" - we know you don't care, as that type of statement is typical of a person with a very closed mind which is steeped in prejudice.

You have personal anecdotal evidence on the subject, and that type of evidence is severely limited and biased.

Just like you refuse to read Brooks book - which is not his opinion, but an academic study of national data - you refuse to read the Bible or learn anything about Christianity, and your knowledge of history is equally uninformed.

 

Why would I waste my time reading about Christians? I don't give a flying **** about religion or about them. I just don't care.

And you have made another ad hominem. You don't know what my education is you don't know what my background is, you don't know if I was raised a Christian or not or what I believe now or what I think of Christ. You know nothing aobut me and have made this personal yet again. You don't know if I've read the bible, you know nothing about me and are making a personal attack.

 

"2) A political philosophy that removes religion from the realm of Gov't is not incompatible with the teachings of Jesus."

Utterly ignorant of Christianity.

See post #65.

 

Of course you care. Its obvious you care - you are in this OP, not only do you spend your time posting on a subject you claim not to care about, your posts are very energetic.

I know you have not read the Bible and know nothing of Christian doctrine from your posts. Your posts reflect populist bias and misperception, they have no content reflecting actual Christian doctrine.

 

well said

 

I ask your forgiveness for failing to insert the word most.