Civil servants like Marie Yovanovitch are the enemy of Trumpery

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    Deflection. It's been noted that you didn't answer a simple question. Do you approve of her shameful conduct or not? Simple yes or no.
     
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    Being a loyal American is not shameful.. Lutsenko wanted her gone..

    NBC News reports. Lutsenko told NBC News Chief Foreign correspondent Richard Engel that he doesn’t know “any possible violation of Ukrainian law” by former Vice President Joe Biden or his son.

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ukraine-yuriy-lutsenko-rudy-giuliani/2019/09/27/id/934680/
     
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    John Solomon: Ex-ambassador Yovanovitch blocked Ukraine investigation before being ousted by Trump

    https://www.theblaze.com/glenn-radio/yovanovitch-blocked-ukraine-investigation

    Facts are facts. Ex-ambassador Yovanovitch disgraced herself and the USA. A truly shameful conduct.



    "A few months passed and nothing happened. So the Ukrainian prosecutors under Lutsenko ... hired an American lawyer. This is in the October-November time frame of 2018," he continued. "They hired a former U.S. attorney here in the United States and they gave him a packet of information of things that they felt were wrong. One, that the ambassador was interfering in the Ukrainian internal affairs, like telling who he could prosecute and not prosecute. Two, that Joe Biden had fired a prosecutor, who was investigating his son's company, Burisma. And, three, there is some significant evidence and there is about to be a court ruling in Ukraine ... that Ukraine inappropriately interfered in the U.S. election in 2016."

    Solomon pointed out that the Ukrainian prosecutors "tried on their own to get visas to come to the United States," but that the U.S. Embassy would not process the request. "They were just sitting there unprocessed. They wouldn't reject them, they wouldn't approve him. So they were in limbo," he said.
     
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    Being Obama's loyalist is million miles away from being a loyal American. She acted like a partisan hack and disgraced herself and the country. Simples.
     
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    Lutsenko says the Bidens did nothing wrong. Giuliani was paid $500,000 and Bolton called him a hand grenade..
     
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    Simple, not really. Lutsenko is a corrupt liar. From the Hill article you provided.........

    The State Department called Lutsenko's claim of receiving a do not prosecute list, "an outright fabrication."

    “We have seen reports of the allegations," a department spokesperson told Hill.TV. "The United States is not currently providing any assistance to the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO), but did previously attempt to support fundamental justice sector reform, including in the PGO, in the aftermath of the 2014 Revolution of Dignity. When the political will for genuine reform by successive Prosecutors General proved lacking, we exercised our fiduciary responsibility to the American taxpayer and redirected assistance to more productive projects."

    Lutsenko is unnamed Ukrainian who led plot to oust Yovanovitch, says official

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...-plot-oust-yovanovitch-says-official-n1065246

    "The indictment says the efforts by Parnas and Fruman to remove then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, a respected diplomat with deep knowledge of Ukraine, were "conducted, at least in part, at the request of one or more Ukrainian government officials."

    Federal prosecutors didn't detail in the indictment or at a press conference why the unnamed Ukrainian official or officials allegedly urged Parnas and Fruman to scheme to push out Yovanovitch.

    But two former U.S. officials said Lutsenko had sharp disagreements with Yovanovitch over his handling of corruption cases, and was also seeking to curry favor with the Trump administration."
     
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    Lutsenko also said the Bidens did NOTHING wrong.. Rudy G sure got paid a lot..

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-giuliani-excl-idUSKBN1WU07Z
     
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    Prosecutors are scouring Rudy Giuliani's bank records and business dealings in Ukraine as part of a widening criminal investigation
    https://www.businessinsider.com/pro...ani-bank-records-ukraine-dealings-wsj-2019-10

    "Federal prosecutors from the Southern District of New York are sifting through the bank records and foreign business dealings of Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor and President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, The Wall Street Journal reported.

    The scrutiny comes as part of a broadening criminal investigation into an alleged conspiracy involving two of Giuliani's Ukrainian associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. The two men were arrested and charged last week with violating campaign finance law connected to hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to US political campaigns."
     
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    I'm still waiting for evidence of Trump corruption that you all claim.
     
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    Rogue prosecutors are so much fun.
     
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    That's funny. She was relieved of duty for covering up Obama's duplicity. Franly she could probably be charged with obstruction.
     
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    Good start at what? Turning the supposed 'SWAMP" into a sewer? Trump has systematically removed every acknowledged experienced or dedicated professional from the White House and filled the void with incompetent, corrupt sycophants. The White House and the GOP are now owned lock, stock, and barrel by the most inept, unqualified, narcissistic moron in our long, honorable history.

    I'd like a nickel for every two-bit jackass that came to town to reform Washington, D.C. It always works out the same way, Washington destroys them. Trump is going down and he is going down hard along with his sleazy band of like minded, unqualified pretenders. My only regret is that it will take years to undo the damage the orange god has done to our country and our place in the world. This dolt actually believes he's the smartest man on earth!

    Anyone who thinks this Trumpian disaster is cool, doesn't have a lot going on upstairs. Knowledge and intelligence are not products of right wing talk shows and websites. They are products of study, hard work, and a genuine caring and love for America, not a New York real estate thug and his mob. Trump came to town to destroy the "deep state." Now it will destroy him.
     
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    Now, all you have to do is substantiate.............whatever it is you are talking about.
     
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    Wow! I think you actually believe that. Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin would have loved you. Imagine that, an entire governmental bureaucracy marching in lock step with Trump. Hup, two, three, four. You really do have a problem understanding a democratic republic, much less America.
     
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    Bolton wanted White House lawyers alerted to Ukrainian efforts, called it ‘drug deal,’ witness tells Congress
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/bol...lled-it-drug-deal-witness-tells-congress.html

    "Former national security adviser John Bolton was so disturbed by the efforts to get the Ukrainians to investigate President Donald Trump’s political opponents that he called it a “drug deal,” former White House official Fiona Hill reportedly told Congress on Monday.

    Hill, the former top Europe expert in Trump’s White House, testified that Bolton told her he wanted no part of the effort that involved acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, a person in the room for Hill’s testimony told NBC News. Bolton also was said to have referred to Rudy Giuliani as a “hand grenade.”
     
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    Lol, i have not read more absurd nonsense in a long time... what part of "they serve at the pleasure of the President" do you want me to clarify for you?

    But let's put your theory to test, why don't you yourself at your job start ignoring the management and do your own thing instead. And when they question your insubordination and sabotage of their orders, you can tell them about Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin... Report back to us as soon as you're unemployed but don't worry too much, Trump delivered full employment benefiting even his haters lol
     
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    It demonstrates a weak character if one relinquishes their sense of right and wrong in the face of authority. It doesn't matter if the authority is the president. If I were ordered to engage in criminal or unethical activity by a "superior" I would refuse. Simple.
     
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    It would be nice if you could actually substantiate any of you claims regarding Trump.
     
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    Yawn, too many hypotheticals, if Trump was Hitler, if you were ordered to commit a crime...

    of course on planet Earth it's the libs who act like Stalinists and brownshirts, of course it's the Bidens who are corrupt and owned by China and Ukrainian oligarchs, it's 3 dem senators who blackmailed Ukraine, it's Hillary and the DNC who colluded with the Brits, Russia, Australia and Ukraine....

    But in a hypothetical world you're describing things are obviously different. Jeez lol
     
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    Trump's children profit from his being president.. Ivanka alone made 118 million dollars last year.. and you're upset about Biden?
     
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    Ivanka owned an enormous business empire and brand name before Trump became president.

    Hunter owned a drug related dishonorable discharge from the military and a useless BS diploma in history before he and his daddy were bought and pocketed by Ukrainian oligarchs and Chinese communist authorities.
     
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    Hunter has fought his battle with addiction. So what.

    The Trump kids have tripled their income since Trump took office.
     

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