Educated vs "Non-Educated"

I don't know what this fight is about but your hypothetical situation isn't really clear. When you claim someone "said something" and then "said the opposite" are you talking about what you heard him say or at least heard him on film? It's just that I hear people often quote the media saying that "he said this" or "he said that".

 

Just trying to inspire consistency. Vindman himself under oath admitted to making statements that were “not entirely accurate”.

I just think knowingly making statements that are not entirely accurate is the same as lying by definition. Just using a euphemism doesn’t excuse a lie to me. Others of course see things differently.

A more recent example is the complete non existence of record keeping of Presidential lies that existed throughout the Trump administration. A bit odd in my opinion. Probably just coincidence though.

 

Direct quote?

 

GOLDMAN: So, in the end, this readout was false, is that right?

VINDMAN: That's -- that's -- maybe that's a bit of -- it's not entirely accurate. But I'm not sure if I would describe it as false. It was consistent with U.S. policy. And these items are used as messaging tools also.

 

OK, here I go again.

"Not entirely accurate" is referring to the readout or to the insinuation that it was false?

 

I could be wrong this was years ago. It’s my understanding Vindman claimed Trump engaged in quid pro quo by asking Ukraine to investigate Biden. Vidman used the readout as “proof” but the released call transcript of the ACTUAL conversation did not include what Vidman claimed Trump asked for. The readout more closely matched Vidman’s claims, but the transcript of the actual phone call did not.

Release of the transcript showed Vidman was not being honest about his initial claims.

As I said, it’s years ago and I care less now about it than then and I cared very little then. I’m very happy to be corrected if I’m in error.

 

I don't have a dog in the hunt, so to speak, but when I took a college class entitiled Business English, which was maybe about 25 years ago we were taught that email was informal communication., Social media really didn't exist then like it does now, but IMHO the the principle is the same. This forum is informal communication. Not an appropriate place for grammer nazis.

That being said, proper/basic English should be taught in high school if not in middle school. I had to diagram sentences in 8th grade. Somehow I doubt that is the case today.


Clearly, when it comes to English and grammer societry has been dumbed down. For example:

https://newrepublic.com/article/79470/1895-8th-grade-final-exam-i-couldnt-pass-it-could-you

1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

 

I'm not taking sides but whenever I see a newspaper headline I just know it's bull ****. The quote. "GOLDMAN: So, in the end, this readout was false, is that right?" By adding, "is that right?" opens up for all kinds of BS. What is it that was right? That it was false? That it was written falsely? That it was read falsely? That was determined false only after more information came to light, ie. (in the end) in retrospect. So, his reply "Not entirely accurate" can refer to any one of those issues all because of the clause, "is that right?" It's all media garbage.

 

Or hang a sheet of drywall.

 

Absolutely. And spelling is just as bad. For example:
* grammar
* society

 

An interesting post that reflects my life experience. I ended up several credits short of a college degree due to economic issues paying the mortgage, etc. when my 1rst wife quit a professional job to have and take care of young children. Not that many years later, I ended up paying crippling child support for 16 years which ended any hope of returning to school until I reached an age and career status that eliminated the need to return to school. That being said, I ended up making the kind of money lawyers and doctors make. And so to echo your point, my house is more or less a library containing hundreds of books -- and even as an old person with somewhat reduced focus and energy, I am reading at least 3-5 books at a time. Of course now, with the useless emphasis on ticket punching and worthless credentials, it would probably be much harder to acheive success in the white collar world.

As a final observation -- certainly a formal education should be required for MDs and the like. But if I had a choice between a high school educated Army combat medic or my primary care physician to initially treat say a gunshot wound, I would pick the Army medic.

 

I know of NO requirements for passing as "culturally Christian".

 

I agree media is usually crapola. This exchange was a congressional hearing. When it comes right down to it between media dishonesty and technological abilities to fake ANYTHING including video of hearings etc. we can never know anything like this with certainty. Especially going forward. Artificial intelligence and CGI give us the ability to shape perceptions in any way we like.

This is why I recommend building a life where none of this stuff really matters. If you don’t depend on these clowns and fools for what you need to survive and be happy it doesn’t matter what lies or cons they perpetrate. You can mostly just sit back and enjoy the show.

This election cycle is going to be one hell of a show!

 

The older madison avenue technology, along with with the Internet, modern AI, perception management technology, information warfare and the low information voter will certainly determine winners in future elections. Particularly with the media being totally controlled by the government/media complex. During the Clinton administration, I attended a presentation given by a Major General who said all future wars will be won by information warfare. She was right.

However, the first Trump v. Biden debate, if it happens, will certainly be a hell of a show with respect to entertainment.

 

I agree 1 million percent.

 

Oh yes. It will be a show of entertainment for sure but the nightmare will be the immediate pro-Biden media interpretation of it even before the echo subsides.

 

So someone can believe in anything, no matter how anti-Christian it is, and they can still pass as "culturally Christian?"

 

Source?

 

I think I got it from here.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vindman-retired-false-testimony/

 

Why not?

 

Because 'anti-something' cannot be PRO-that thing. Obviously.

 

Not true. My wife was born in Czechoslovakia. She was baptized Catholic but she's never attended mass. She is "culturally Christian" (Christian holidays, etc.) but has no interest in religion.

 

There's more to a culture than public holidays.

 

You are wrong. And you are not reading my post. I wrote "Christian holidays, etc"

 

The left often imply that it is the right who are uneducated MAGA Trump supporters and yet it is the Democrats who are always pandering for the votes of the poor and uneducated. I often challenge them to let's make it a law that the uneducated can't vote and not one lefty has ever joined me in the cause.