Europe is safer so why are we more frightened?

Maybe this has something to do with it

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/world/global-terrorism-report/

 

Hell, it's settled then, bring all the Muslims here and let's celebrate diversity. We have had a bunch of terrorist attacks but since this guy said it...

 

This thread is about Europe and in particular England. This "flea" caused this:







And mainly financed by donations from Americans

 

How does that compare with this one attack ?

[video=youtube;1V1SCWOXJbc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V1SCWOXJbc[/video]

 

Why are the people putting up with it? Who is doing this to you?

 

Is New York in Europe?

 

The biggest reason Europe is so safe are the measures the governments there have taken to prevent terrorist attacks. Security is much better today than in 1970.

 

Let's hope that the freedom they savored nowadays will make them realize how tyrant their religion really are,
after experiencing it would they opt to return to that way of living repressed by beliefs?
I don't think so, violence?, anyone of us could do violence it's not racial, but the rules of law are there to regulate us.

 

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

 

The police' hands are tied because of political correctness. The FEAR of that little word, "racist"!

It depends upon who you ask.

* The government & and their muzzled media say "Youth and bored with nothing to do", i.e. all youths including Swedish and it's our fault for not providing enough for them.

* Us, (the people) and one or two anonymous policeman say "The immigrants from primitive countries."

 

Any joy coming up with one European culture that has been enslaved by Muslims, or are facts not so easy to produce?

 

Which part of Europe is it that you live in which is so unsafe? Or do you just watch you tube video's from the safety of your armchair on the other side of the Atlantic?

 

Document what? less dead people?...um...hang on...as far as the IRA is concerned, the bbc has lots of data, try searching "deaths by ira 1970's"...you'l need to do the same for ET and the BMG in germny.

This URL gives quite a good overview though https://qz.com/558597/charted-terror-attacks-in-western-europe-from-the-1970s-to-now/

One thing to remember is that many in america didn't see the ira as a terrorist group so you that should be considered as well.

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What? There is a good historical cat about china and glass that's worth a look.

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cat? I mean stat :0)

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I've grown up with muslims since i was a kid......other than some becoming Manchester united fans, the rest are decent normal people.

 

Based on what? You've just become easy to frighten mate.

So 2 blokes blow up a couple of train and a bus and 2 bloke fail to blow u a Jeep and what? you think i should be frightened?

Muslims kill people in small groups in Europe and what? Its WW3?

Have you always been easy to frighten?

 

I come from and live in Bristol - The area of Bristol is known for being culturally diverse and I've always lived in areas where white people are in the minority.
Search for eastville in bristol and you'll get the idea.

Is it really a shock to hear that more people died from terrorism in the UK in the 1970's than since 9/11 - Doesn't really sit well with the "global terrorist threat" idea does it.

 

OOOHHHHHH....some burn't out cars.

 

Think about it, sooner or later you are going to run out of coloured people to shoot......so replace them with muslims!

Saying that an unarmed black child still posed a treat to an armed adult is getting a it difficult these days but a young unarmed muslim.....everyone would accept that they would grow up to be a terrorist so shooting them would be fine.

You need to try and think outside the box mate.

 

As yes, 9/11 - The day terrorism was invented.

How does the IRA years compare to 9/11?
1 - The IRA was less well reported
2 - The IRA spread panic and worry over a large area for 10 years.
3 - There were less conspiracy theorists about the IRA
4 - History forgot the IRA alot quicker than 9/11
5 - The people who were behind the IRA become legitimate politicians

and, on a slightly lighthearted finish...the IRA wold often ring the police to tell them where the bomb was.

 

Well I suggest that if you or one of your family were victims of those atrocities then I daresay the 'body count' will hold some significance to you? The point is the trend (a very meaningful word for one of only 5 characters?), and the trend of the number of attacks isn't decreasing. Indeed it's increasing and will continue to do so. Islamic State isn't playing a game, where they will eventually tire of it and think of something else to do to while away their time, they mean business.

 

That explains a lot, I worked in Picton St in St Paul's and still drink in the Pack Horse when I get to Bristol, we have a different attitude because we have actually lived and worked in the sort of areas some people would call no-go zones. We are not afraid of "the other". I remember being on Park St when there was an IRA bomb scare.

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Could you supply some evidence that this "trend" is increasing in the UK?

 

9/11 was without question the biggest and most shocking terrorist attack there has ever been. It targeted random people from all over the world in a gruesome spectacular seen all over the world. The whole world was shocked and stunned by the event. It was designed to make the world stop and change. It offered a window to see how we would choose to make that change. Apparently Bin Laden, if he was indeed the financier (though not the one who came up with or organised it) believed it would get the US involved in massive retaliation against innocent Muslims, massive loss of their lives, which would result in massive increase in Muslims turning to extremist Islam and hopefully bankrupt the US in the same way as their work in Afghanistan, funded and paid for by the US, had done to the Russians. He also believed it would show that any concept of the West being 'liberal' and believing in 'human rights' would be shown to be skin deep.

On all levels, with the possible exception of the US not being completely bankrupt - (though people have lost the ability to expect special standards as a right) Bin Laden won.

Now apart from this how this differed from the terrorism of the IRA.

1) This was financed by an extremist Muslim. The IRA was financed by the American people.
2) The British Government in the main treated the IRA as a criminal matter. Although soldiers were there and yes things happened which were under the table, we did not declare war on Northern Ireland.
3). The British people never dehumanised the Irish. We kept the Government in check so that they found in difficult to do inhuman things to the Irish as seen for instance by our response to Bloody Sunday and the Gibraltar killings.
4) We never blamed all the Irish for terrorism even terrorism on Mainland Britain. Indeed it was recognised that to do that would be likely to increase it. Even prior to 9/11 from what I have read there had been work going on to create antipathy towards Muslims. 9/11 resulted in much more which has now as we can see from this forum resulted in the almost complete dehumanisation of them.
5) Britain did work to remove the initial causes of the 'troubles in Ireland'. Legislation was put in for equal rights for the Catholics - 9/11 was motivated by the US working to make Oslo obsolete - to do nothing to help the People of Palestine to gain the civil rights they had been lacking particularly those occupied since 1967. The US did nothing to improve the cause of 9/11, nothing to help the Palestinians who are living without rights under a brutal occupation, instead they chose to create failed states in the ME likely going under a plan created under Netanyahu to destabilise the region. They have succeeded in their intent and there has now been over 1,000,000 Muslims killed as a result of 9/11 and the region sees extremist Islam in a manner which would have been impossible without this response. Indeed 9/11 looked like it was a window to stop extremism had it been deal with in the manner which the West claimed it acted - that is by law.

6) Once Clinton put a stop of the US funding which was keeping the IRA going the British were able to talk to those involved and make concessions which hopefully would allow for peace - which has been what has happened since 1990. Sadly a consequence of 9/11 was to stop all talks which were going on with those in Palestine who were acting in a terrorist manner even though they, using the knowledge gained from Ireland were being successful. Instead it was agreed to call Hamas a terrorist group, allow Israel to indulge in brutal wars against the civilians of Palestine and build jails to hold political activists without trial, continue taking more of the land and resources of the Palestinians until as now she has reached a position where she intends on annexing Area C that is 62% of the 22% of historic Palestine the Palestinians agreed to accept at Oslo and to leave the rest of the Palestinians in isolated bantusans with no rights for eternity.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness

7) Whereas Ireland is now at peace with the democratic right to vote every 7 years as to whether they wish a United Ireland, the West is now from the actions taken after 9/11...well basically in the situation Bin Laden hoped for as I put at the beginning.

 

First of all the attack on 9/11 was a response to the US meddling in the Middle East. Revenge. Sweden has nothing to do with that crap so what revenge could there be?
Secondly 9/11 is not THE DAY TERRORISM WAS INVENTED. The Israelis did it already back in the 40's when they blew up the King David Hotel.

 

America needs an enemy to validate itself; just like the 'Great Communist Conspiracy' in the 50s spawned McCarthyism, Islamist terrorism is the bogeyman du jour, and that's why we're hearing so much demonizing of Muslims in general.

 

There you go (I think I got the link right): Terrorism deaths in western Europe in the last 47 years.
https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/searc...success=yes&casualties_type=b&casualties_max=

Nice page, if anyone interested.

 

Page without information. At first look it is suggesting generally European terrorist attacks result in no deaths or injuries, tapping on the fatalities shows however they have not bothered to find out as it says unknown!!

Here is a better one provided by of all places The Telegraph (right wing paper)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-now-than-in-the-1970s-and-safer-than-almost/