Fast Food workers declare minimum wage "unlivable"

No lying here at all, that's the argument you are presenting, and frankly your entire position is making you look silly.

 

My wife was making around $15/hr as a teacher with a MASTERS, in FL, around 5 yrs ago. Sure, different cost of living. But I don't care if they're in NY. Fast Food shouldn't pay anything close to a teacher no matter where you live. The fact that anyone thinks fast food should pay enough to take care of a family is batsh%$&#t crazytalk. Seriously, what the heck is going on. There are people in interviews sitting there with straight faces defending this, that any job should pay a living wage. NO IT SHOULDN'T!!! I just paid my babysitter $15/hr. That's freakin nuts in the first place=)

 

It is a sad day when we care what a fast food joint pays. It sounds like your fighting over the scraps "Longshanks" gives you. Those jobs are meant for kids and the food is not meant for human consumption.

 

Please, point out to me where I on this entire forum, on any thread, have wanted absolute income equality. Do it. Or you could just stop lying.

The latter would be easier for you (one would hope).

 

Both left and right parties have killed manufacturing jobs in the west. Both are guilty of regulating to starve off competition in favor of large corporations, to point the finger at either side is rather pointless imo. But whats also played a large part is the nanny welfare state, massive govt spending, govt handouts to business all driving up taxes and pushes for higher wages to maintain standard of living - these are leftist policies.

 

These leftys are crying because they refused to educate, and improve themselves, and a fast food job is all theyre qualified for....

 

Gems like this Leffe for instance show your mindset.

Onus is on others to make it more "fair".

 

You decry profit maximization yet THAT is capitalism. You poop on capitalism. Your alternative, whatever fantasy that might be, is already know as a failure or a huge loss of freedom.

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He's clearly a statist that thinks he's invented some new squish, lovable state. Stalin did too.

 

You started so well, then (*)(*)(*)(*)ed it up.

(1) Yes, a left wing policy.
(2) WOT? Ehh? WOT?? Are you taking the M.I.C.key? Do I really need to point out the GOP's relationship to the military and its spend? The Bush admin and Halliburton?
(3) Hmmmm, oil companies getting tax rebates and subsidising large farming corporations.... Boeing? I think this is not exclusively a leftwing policy.

So, 5/10. Must try harder Jack

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Always someone elses fault.... And why are you losing hegemony again?

 

where people are not paid a living wage, welfare will need to make up the difference, so the people will pay for the cheap hamburgers one way or the other....

 

Use rightwing rhetoric - greed is good - check! Just one thing. Your companies are making record profits. Not 2013 records, or 2012 records, but record of ALL TIME! And how is your economy? How is your standard of living? Hows your job market?

And how's that version of capitalism working out for you, as a nation?

Insert communist accusation - check.

Rolls eyes.

 

America abandoned capitalism in 1933 and resurrected it briefly in the 1980s.

It still works.

 

Walking back noted, and apology accepted.

 

Does it really? Crony capitalism perhaps. Lobby-capitalism, certainly. But mom and pop capitalism has been killed, dead.

 

Heh. I wonder how many of the protesters voted for that.

 

Funny how that works, when I was young, I worked two jobs to put a roof over our head and food on the table, my dad worked three.

Today our society is stuck with a bunch of whining lazy ass losers. I have some advise for those lazy pieces of (*)(*)(*)(*), they can get all their bills paid and actually bank some money by working half days, they just have to choose what half day they want to work, the first twelve hours or the second twelve hours. There is no free lunch

 

I wasnt talking about the US solely, i said the West which has faced the same issues because its become more and more socialist while govt keeps spending. I totally agree both left and right are to blame in feeding their corporate masters, Dems have handed over billions to their corporate buddies, the list is long so i wouldnt go playing that game. I disagree when left or right do it - it ends up hurting small/ med business which costs jobs, the jobs that the middle class need.

But the answer is not with higher min wages, its not with more social programs, not with larger govts, not with more over regulation which is all the left offers and isnt with corporatism which left and right give us. RW parties need to pull their finger out and get real with reversing the nanny state illness.

 

Yes some welfare might be needed. But at least the company stays in business and continues to supply the jobs that are over the so called living wage level.

Id automatically pay welfare to low income workers via the negative income tax system, remove the min wage and tighten up hard on low skilled immigration. Limit the supply of low skilled people to reasonable levels (look after your citizens before the rest of the world) and the market place will bid up the value. Also ditch the fed, privatize schools and healthcare via vouchers - then watch manufacturing come flooding back to where the largest consumer markets in the world are, in the West.

 

I guess we cannot have restaurant workers on the same level as us middle class folks. After all, we all need someone to look down upon with contempt don't we? And so what if they have to work three jobs, 60 hours a week. They are still lazy layabouts and leeches because they make minimum wage right? And the fat a$$ed upper classes deserve their $2.99 all inclusive meals.

If all these low wage workers suddenly were gone, You can bet your butt you'd suddenly find value in their work. These folks are good enough to make hamburgers for you to stuff your face with, to clean your toilets, haul your trash, assist you at the store, but they aren't good enough to pay a decent salary? What cheap miserly a$$holes ya'll are. I bet you'd scream to high heaven if your worth was trivialized and devalued as insignificant.

Now it's moving into manufacturing. You want a reliable well made car, but you don't want to pay someone a good salary to make it for you. Ya'll want well made furniture, but you don't want to pay anyone a decent wage to make it for you. Small wonder our jobs are re-locating overseas. Ya'll want everything, and you want it cheap. Just wait until your job is on the minimum wage chopping block.

You're slitting your own throats.

 

You know this response is ridiculously naive every time it is posted. There are not enough part time employees available to fill all the minimum wage jobs out there. You know that, I know that, everyone who posts here knows that.

As for the OP, what a joke, why do you care that these people are protesting? I bet you are 100% okay with people protesting the Obama administration LOL

 

I'd bet you'd raise holy hell the first time you had your dinner served on dirty dishes. Or got a half cooked hamburger.

These jobs have value, they deserve a wage that can sustain the worker without taxpayer subsidies.

It's astounding to me that you are willing to let the employer off the hook when it come to paying decent wages and would rather instead make up those wages by paying them yourself via taxes.

You're paying them either way, via a $6.00 hamburger, or taxes.

 

LOL whatever dude, McDonalds won't even talk to you about a franchise unless you can put $1M into an escrow account. That is before they will even run site tests to see if a McDonalds would succeed in your area.

I have a friend who owns a McDonalds in a town of 4K people, now it is on a main highway but its still a small town and yet his McDonalds is making GOOD money. In fact he just spent $2M upgrading the store.

Here's the sad part though, they were closed for that two weeks and you know what he paid his employees? Nothing. 2 weeks off, no pay.

And I can tell you that their labor rate, not counting management is <20% , if business gets slower they send people home to make sure it stays that way.

You talk about McDonalds is a low wage job, I would counter that with McDonalds SHOULD be a low return business. But instead owners have decided to pay their employees very little and have higher revenue for themselves.

Normal profit at a restaurant is supposed to be around 30% per ticket. McDonalds and other fast food restaurants are around 50%.

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This is like the 5th thread on this topic since I joined here and I've been beating that same drum in every one of them. Some are either too dim to realize this or too dishonest to admit it.

If the McDonalds employee is eligible for welfare, common sense tells me that maybe McD isn't paying their employees well enough.

 

Common sense should also tell you that if you want to earn more than minimum wage then you have a responsibility to do whatever is necessary to pull yourself up from the bottom rung of the economic ladder. If you expect the government or the owners of a company that employs low-skilled labor to do that for you then you can count on living paycheck to paycheck for the rest of your life. I've seen people go to great lengths and sacrifices to improve their lives, so I have little sympathy for the people who chose not to do so themselves.

 

I disagree with removing the min wage, not sure why the right thinks paying poor people less is a good thing

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What BS there is not one fast food restaurant in my area that earn the minimum wage once trained, a young lady out of High School got that for three months then got two raises after a year she is earning $8.79 an hour which is $1 over the state minimum wage working at a Taco Bell. Once she gets her associates degree she can move on to management.

They want more money join the armed forces that is full-time work, with benefits, REUP bonuses, you can earn a degree in the service now and retire young with a pension.