Honest invitation to the Leftist Liberals -- please, tell us on the Right what you REALLY want!

And American President who behaves like an adult.

One who actually knows how to make a deal and understands government and how the world works.

One who does not behave like he thinks all he's supposed to do is some sort of right wing night club schtick for the TV cameras.

Beyond that, I would like to see real election reform. Measures to prevent gerrymandering, measures to make it easier to prosecute a variety of dirty tricks like voter caging, push polling, and the like. Preferably, a national standardized voter system in which everone who meets the qualifcations is automatically eligible and is supplied with a sandardized national voter ID, which must be supplied to vote, ballots and initiatives to be listed in a standardized format and using standardized procedures across all states.

Universal Federally regulated single payer national health insurance. I don't care if we define what a policy must cover, and allow the insurance industry to compete for the business, or whether the government runs the whole thing. (actually, I prefer the latter, because there is accountability). Americans pay twice as much per person for heath care than people in any other country on earth. Employers write most of those checks, and their rapid inflation over decades is coming ouf of the pockets of workers and making American labor needlessly more expensive than its global competitors.

A substantial, sustained committment to maintaining and improving our infrastructure. We can begin right away by doubling the Federal gas tax through a series of phased increases. Simultaneously, the same tax needs to be imposed on electricity used in cars in direct proportion to the energy yield of gasoline. The first part is what Ronald Reagan did back around 1985. The last phase of that increase took effect in 1993, and has not increased since. However, the cost of most commonly used contruction materials (concrete, hot mixed asphalt and the like) have more than doubled.

I would also like to see a nominal carbon tax on all petroleum based products. Revenue to be used to finance Federally finance research and development in a variety of fields.

Regulating the internet as a common carrier.

Working with out TRADITIONAL allies to build international standards and regulation for social media, and establish a shared clearinghouse for cyber security issues. I'm sure such things already exist. It's time to elevate their importance.

Rejoin the Trans Pacific Partnership.

Increase our naval presence and our economic footprint in the Asia-Pacific region.

In another page from Reagan's playbook, raise the social security tax slightly, and remove the cap on maximum income. A couple of small tweaks like these will secure the Social Security Trust Fund for 50 years.

Finance research and development efforts into artificial intelligence and solve the battery problem,

Require labelling of food products made with GMOs. I have no issue with GMO's, but I think it's perfectly reeasonable to know when I am eating them.

Go back to the moon and bring a space telescope with us

Enact reasonable national gun registration and screening laws.

Revive the Equal Rights Amendment and get it ratified.

Just a few random thoughts.

 

You are only addressing disability determinations, and not even considering well-deserved retirements. . . . And what about those who are TRULY disabled?

 

Thanks for confirming everything I wrote above and in all my earlier posts where each and every one of these things were thoroughly documented.

 

It seems because 1 of 10,000 will fraud the system, the whole system must be destroyed as evil.
How can a discussion even begin when that is a start point?

 

Except I did none of them, so your attempt to pin them on me is a slander.

 

You claim to not be a leftist, but you say that 'right wingers' financed 3 forms of the same ideology that the Democrats worship. You should explain that. Or you don't know a damn thing....which is likely. Do you know what 'N.A.Z.I.' stood for? I guess not. The Bolsheviks...aka Trotsky and Lenin, Democrats. Marx, the same.

Right wingers will not be donating to Bernie Sanders, Pocahontas, or any of the other loons. But that's exactly what you are saying.

 

Those that are truly disabled generally get on the welfare wagon as well as the hordes of lazy ne'er do wells. There's no incentive to keep either off of welfare. however, things are looking mighty shaky for the future of SS thanks to all of the wastage.

So what about the truly disabled? i guess they'll just have to do without once it runs out of money.

 

We could, possibly, start from the assumption that quantum nerd takes which is that social security can be good, and then figure out a way to incentivize the government to stop wasting our money.

You say 1 in 10,000, and I say more like half and half. So we obviously won't agree on the numbers, but maybe we could agree on a way to fix social security that addresses what many of us on the right consider to be a major problem.

 

Unlike those of you from the far right I back up my claims and have repeatedly done so in that regard. I have even posted proof from communist Robert Minor who acknowledged that it was your Republican heroes who financed Marx. Ditto for all other claims. Several right wingers have commented on my proofs and tried to deny it even though the principle historian that I quoted from was conservative Antony Sutton.

As always, we patriots easily defeat you right wingers because we have the TRUTH on our side.

All that winning!

 

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

such desperation in the face of the TRUTH I presented

 

I appreciate the sincerity of this Op. I really do. I hate it when conservatives tell us what we want, why we want it, and then disparage the motives they assigned, to policy objectives they defined for us. I instantly know not to contribute to the thread. As a generality, I want a moderately liberal fairly economically progressive agenda- probably best described in our last national party platform and I think it a good idea if conservatives use that document as a guideline - in context, not exaggerated, not ballooned out of proportion with partial quotes from left of center potential candidates or former candidates for dramatic impact. Take the platform plank as read it.

What I am willing to work toward, is a long way away from what I want and it always has been. As a general rule, we should negotiate in good faith and compromise for better law l, not the best law. I have believed that since Ford was President, and I believed it under Reagan, Herbert Walker Bush, and George Bush Jr. I believed it under a variety of house speakers, and senate majority leaders. It would be my position if you had voted for virtually any of the other 12 possible nominees in 2016. ANY OF THEM.

here's the problem. I do not believe in any of the above under Donald Trump. The GOP intentionally voted for a man who breaks his word, who is without any professional sense of integrity and is too impulsive and ego-centric in thinking, to mitigate his impulsive behavior for a greater long term benefit. He is not someone who asks himself what happens to his political bridges, or the country if he f****s with the Democratic dealmakers on a specific issue in this congressional session.

We cannot trust him and we cannot trust McConnell or the GOP to respect the norms of propriety in the Senate and we sure can't trust that they can deliver Trump's signature, when they don't even know what he will settle for. So. No. Deals. under Trump, or that require the White House or Cabinet cooperation are acceptable. They are a waste of words and paper. You have to wait until Trump goes and you give us someone who will mean the same thing on Tuesday, as he said he meant on Monday and will follow through consistently with his word.

In short, I honestly think you have to wait until Trump is gone for the hyperpartisanship to level off and adult mature legislative minds can get to work on bipartisan problem-solving.

 

*Just a note here for clarification*

The German 'Nazi' Party was known at its foundation in 1920 as the "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" -- literally, the National-Socialist German Workers' Party. This small party grew in popularity only very slowly, and gained in popularity only during the intense polarization of German society years later between the German Communist Party and the Nazis. Intense street battles between the German Communists and the Nazis grew more and more common, and destructive by the late 1920's.

Finally, by the early 1930's, propelled by both a world-wide Great Depression, and a growing fear of the German Communists and the rising power of the Soviet Union, German industrialists and upper-class, "big money boys" of the Weimar Republic (led by Franz von Papen) threw their support to the Nazis. BTW, von Papen even served as Vice-Chancellor under Adolf Hitler in 1933 - 1934, although he detested Hitler.

The rest you know....

 

• The Social Security Trustees estimate that reducing benefits to restore solvency would require an immediate 16.4 percent benefit cut – the equivalent of reducing benefits this year by more than $150 billion.

• According to the Social Security Administration’s Inspector General, in 2013 just over 1,500 deceased individuals in all age ranges were still receiving benefits. They account for only $15 million in improper benefit payments.

• A 2015 report found 6.5 million active Social Security numbers for people over the age of 112 – but only 13 of them were being used to receive benefits.

• According to the Social Security Administration, all improper payments, including payments to the deceased and the very old, are estimated at about $3 billion per year.

• Total Social Security benefits in 2016 will exceed $900 billion, so eliminating $3 billion per year of improper payments would reduce costs by at most 0.4 percent, extending the program’s solvency by about 3 months.

• Cutting improper payments for only the very old or the deceased would reduce program costs by between 0.00002 and 0.002 percent, extending the program’s solvency by between six minutes and 12 hours.
http://www.crfb.org/press-releases/fact-sheet-how-much-waste-fraud-and-abuse-there-social-security

We could start with actual numbers.
1/2 seems extreme stretch.

But if 1/2 the people in your life are committing fraud on SS here's how you can help.
How to report Social Security fraud

• Use the Social Security Administration online Fraud Reporting form;
• Call the Fraud Hotline number at 1-800-269-0271 (TTY 1-866-501-2101) between 10 a.m. to 4 p.m., Monday through Friday;

http://www.cairco.org/reference/how_to_report_illegal_aliens_ss_tax_fraud

 

Your thread going the way you wanted?

I've seen some TDS post and one guy that thinks conservatives support Marx Hitler and need to apologize for it.

Haven't seen the collective tell us what they want to do for Americans yet.

Still wishing you luck though.

Just apologize for supporting Hitler and at least one of them will talk to you.

 

Maybe raising the age would help. People living longer puts more strain on the system. Today's 65 is like yesterday's 50.

 

Thank you very much, @TomFitz for you very thoughtful, detailed contributions to this discussion! Yours is exactly the kind of commentary I have hoped so much that we can have even more of in this thread.

On a subjective note, yes, I definitely do agree with you on a number of your points, even though I'm definitely a 'Right-winger'. There ARE points of agreement we can agree on, and there surely are many areas where we can compromise, and, 'agree to disagree' -- all for the good of the United States. Thanks again, Tom!

 

The full retirement has risen.
It's 67 for most now, if not more. Yes, that helps.
Also, as others have mentioned, removing the 113K cap would be a great help.

 

There are no leftist liberals.

"Liberal" is just another name a large group of conservatives give themselves.

Having said that, Greenleft gave a good reply.

You can't have a socialist utopia - nor a social democracy - without secure borders.

 

Since you did not address the challenge I have REPEATEDLY made on this thread about how Republican Wall Street financed Hitler, I assume you have conceded that my proven claim is factual.

Thanks for the concession.


Now please include the rest of my post in your reply to others since you won't address me specifically.

 

If we continue to elect individuals sharing your perspective to Congress, maybe we will replace welfare with forced euthanasia, and there won't be so much waste. In fact, it may be a solution to world hunger. . . . Have you ever watched the movie "Soylent Green"???

. . . Or read "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift???

 

You mean CARTOONIST Robert Minor. Damn, how pathetic. It is widely known that Leon Trotsky AKA Lev Bronstein was financed by Jacod Schiff (another Jew) and Vladimir Lenin AKA Vladimir Ulyanov also got the benefit of Schiff, as well as several Brits and Germans, such as Lord Alfred Milner. My source is none other than Leon Trotsky, as he said in his own books. The guy was so butt hurt because he didn't get to the replacement dictator after Lenin had his last, fatal stroke and Stalin took over, that he couldn't shut up until he got ice axed in the skull in Mexico City in 1940.

Marx wasn't financed by any 'right wingers'. He was nothing more than a philosopher who spewed his academic drivel aka propaganda in mainly Parisian newspapers. The 'Communist Manifesto" was financed by the Communist League, which was founded in London, England. So much for that BS too.

Hitler was financed mainly by Germans, and some Brits. The Brits had a way of screwing up everything back then. They constantly tried to play one side off the other....Germany and Russia....depending on how they thought it could benefit them.

But you can continue to believe any BS you want to spew. Next I guess you will claim Jamie Dimon and Warren Buffett are Republicans....

 

correction: COMMUNIST propagandist Robert Minor

Please do your homework since you obviously do not know the subject.

 

Let me see if I can post the cartoon your Bolshevik hero drew that you gained all your knowledge from:

As it appeared in the St. Louis Dispatch.

When you start posting real facts about who financed the Bolsheviks (Lenin and Trotsky), you let me know. You don't know squat.

Patriot my ass.

 

I am convinced that the American people, liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, are under attack by Trumpery, and Trump's strategy is to divide them and keep them divided. His lashing out viciously at military leaders who served the nation with dedication and distinction is vile, and most Americans should be able to agree such squalid, vindictive conduct diminishes both the presidency and our nation.

I view the 2018 elections as the beginning of the nation's recovery, driven by women. If Mitt Romney can lead the GOP back to decency, integrity, reason, and conservatism, all will be well. Rehabilitate America's crumbling infrastructure. Realize Trump's fake promise of a health care system that covers "everybody!" at lower cost, Stop demonizing desperate families, and institute a coherent, comprehensive immigration policy that is both compassionate and sensible (including DACA.) Honestly confront the eminent crisis posed by anthropogenic climate change.

There are real challenges that a united nation will be far better able to overcome.

 

This is all TDS stuff.

I'm cool with most of this. Especially the ID part. Vote harvesting is legal in California. It sucks.

I would be willing to work with you here.

What do you think of a voucher system that would allow said people to choose what hospital they want to go to?

I could work with you here too. I wonder if all our gas taxes really get spent on the roads.

Lost me here. Not for carbon taxes and I don't trust the government to spend it on research.

It seems like the democrats want America to have Internet like China has. I don't think the Internet needs regulation or democrats patrolling social media.

I would be willing to work on this.

Love boats. Totally agree.

It would be nice to see something get done on ss. A few ideas in this thread.

Throw money away. Na.

I'm cool with this.

Would love to see this.

Maybe the national ID could help with this.

Who's not equal?

A few good ideas. Good post. Maybe we can hash some of these out.