HRW Confirms Gaza Terrorists Killed Gaza Boy Shown in Iconic Photo of Egypt’s PM

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    One would expect Zionist fascists to claim that their victims were military. They still do it today.

     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Such witty repartee from the peanut gallery.
     
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    moon Well-Known Member

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    You sound like you've been hit by a 180lb peanut. Winded ?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Using Webster much? :)
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The ideology behind one side or the other has nothing to do with whether or not the belligerents are in a state of war or not.
    Sorry, but I really don't get the Israel is a fascist-style state. Can you attempt to explain it to me again?

    It is an absolute fact that the arab nations were massing on the borders preparing for war with Israel, in May, 1967. The Israelis were not innocent either, continuing a series of provocative actions against syria and jordan in response to PLO attacks, but to suggest that the aggression was all on Israel's side is simply not true. Any cursory examination of the history books will show this. What I find fascinating is the speculation of motivation for the decisions made by the leaders of the countries involved. Seems there are a number of schools of thought on this.



    I do not believe that Rules of Engagement constitute laws of war. They are standing military orders designed to assist combat leaders in the field in their decision making.

    I agree with your comment about terrorism. It is often used as such.
     
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    Aaaaand even more witty repartee
     
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    I accept that the tendency to attach the fascist tag too readily can be problematic and tends to devalue it in relation to say, the Holocaust. However, I think it is reasonable to say that Israel displays many of the characteristics of a fascist state as defined by Paxton, for example. It is, I think, a subjective evaluation, I concede to that.
     
  8. Jack Napier

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    As I have said before, that term has lost all true meaning and substance now, so many terms have, probably the internet has accidentally made it worse.

    However, albeit I believe that Israel is clearly propped up by what you may describe as a corporate mafia (capitalist, as you classicly term it), I think the actual fabric and true nature of Israel is, in so many respects, more akin to a hard line, E European communist outpost.

    I have read the comparisons between Israel and NS, or Israel and Fascism, and there are overtones for sure, there is overlap and influence of it, I would concede that.

    However, in the broader context, I truly lean more toward the overview given by Mr Bernstein, a sample of which I offer here;

    Three Faces of Israel

    From what I have told you so far, you must have the idea that Israel is a Marxist (socialist/communist) country. This would be correct. But, Israel has three faces: Communism, Fascism and democracy. The Ashkenazi Jews who migrated to Israel from Russia brought with them the ideology of socialism/communism and have put into practice much of that ideology. The Ashkenazi Jews who migrated to Israel from Germany, while sympathetic to communism and support it, tend to favor the practices of Nazi-style fascism. During World War II, in Germany these elite Zionist Ashkenazi Jews worked closely with Hitler's Gestapo in persecuting the lower class German Jews and delivering them to concentration camps.

    Now living in Israel, these elite Zionist Jews, who were well trained in Nazi-style fascism and favor it, have imposed many facets of fascism on Israel. To give the impression that Israel is a democracy, members of the Knesset (Israel Congress) are elected — an odd type of election. This is where Israel's so-called democracy stops. It doesn't make any difference which party wins an election, the LIKUD or LABOR, the elite Zionist Jews rule in a dictatorial manner — giving favors to the elite clique and brutally suppressing any dissent.

    In the Zionist/communist scheme of world domination, it is Israel's role to continually stir up trouble in the Middle East. Since wars are a big part of this scheme of aggression, it is only natural that from early childhood on, Israeli youth are trained mentally and physically for war. For instance: Israel has its equivalent of Hitler's youth group. It is the Gadna; and all high school and junior high students are required to participate — boys and girls. Like Hitler's youth group, the youth in Israel's Gadna are dressed in khaki uniforms. They take training and engage in paramilitary exercises.

    Even at play, guns and thoughts of war are present. When on a picnic, instead of taking along baseball or soccer equipment, they take sub-machine guns and assault rifles and practice shooting and playing military games.

    Once graduated from high school, all young boys are required to serve 3 years in the army (2 years for girls) or 4 years in the navy or air force (3 for girls). Ultraorthodox religious Jews are exempt from military service.

    Once out of the service, a number of the ex-service people join the Shin Bet, the equivalent of Hitler's Gestapo. Like the Gestapo, they engage in repressing anyone who acts or speaks out against the Marxist/Fascist government of Zionist dominated Israel.

    Like in Nazi Germany, all people in Israel are required to carry identity booklets called "Teudat Zehut" in Hebrew.

    One day I changed jackets and forgot to take out my ID booklet when I went down town in Tel Aviv. A police officer approached me and asked for my "Teudat Zehut". I told him I had left it in my other jacket. Because I didn't have my ID booklet with me, I was taken to the police station. At the police station, the desk sergeant informed me that for not having my ID booklet with me, I could be jailed for up to 16 days without even being taken before a judge. All that was necessary is for the Police Lieutenant to sign a "Remand Order".

    I asked permission to make a telephone call to my wife and tell her to bring my ID booklet to the station.

    The sergeant allowed me two hours to have my "Teudat Zehut" produced. I called my wife and she brought my "Teudat Zehut" — arriving just minutes before the 2 hour deadline expired. If she had been late in arriving, I would have been jailed for 16 days for not having my ID booklet with me. This is just one indication that Israel is a 'Police State' and not a democracy.

    Concerning Nazism/Fascism, please let me clear a point. Germans are an admirable people — I dare say even great. But in Germany, the general population were victims of the Nazis who through cunning and brutality gained power. In Germany, the average Jews were victims of the Zionist elite who worked hand in hand with the Nazis. Many of those same Zionist Jews who, in Germany, had worked with the Nazis, came to Israel and joined hands with the Zionist/Communist Jews from Poland and Russia. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel. Democracy is merely an illusion.


    http://jackbernstein.blogspot.co.uk/
     
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    Seems Mr. Bernstein is published by noontide press, the publishing arm of the now defunct Institute for Historical Research. You know those quack holocaust deniers and revisionsists,

    Seems Mr. Bernstein is not be be found anywhere. No birth or death certificate, no bio's on the web, no biographical information whatsoever.

    Seems Mr. Bernstein has only been actually seen by one guy. And thats the guy that brought the manuscript to noontide. He's also the guy that claims Mr. Bernstein was assassinated by the Mossad.

    Mentions of this "book", and Mr. Berstein assassination can only be found on the usual suspect jew hating, revisionist sites. Even your link to his tribute site has links to the protocols of zion and "Israel did 9/11"?

    In otherwords, there is no Mr. Bernstein and this book is nothing more than anti-zionist jew hatred. Goosestepping Propaganda. Why does it not surprise me?

    I hope beyond hope that one day you'll bring a credible scholarly source to the table, but I won't hold my breath.
     
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    Nonsense.

    Rather than attack the man, as you are fond of doing, why not address the content.

    If you cannot stop attacking the bringer of the message, and never address the content, with any manners or intention to maturely debate, then i have no interest in going in wasting time with you.
     
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    Ah, very 1984, remove the man from memory, and he never existed, right?

    Very Stalinesque. Very National Socialist. Fairly sure that had things panned out different, they would have said just the same...'That man...no no...he did not exist'.

    If Highlander were to see this, he would say to you that while you charachteristically wave aside the actual existance, and possible fate of this man, you would be more than happy to accept, without any paperwork, names, occupations, cause of death, etc, of ALL the Jews of WW2. You just take it that they all existed and died in your rigid narrative, and you would be utterly offended if one suggested that they never even existed, at all.
     
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    Is Mr Berstein really the fictional construct of a Mr Martin?

    Now back to 'The Usual Suspects'....Oops, sorry for spoiling the plot.
     
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    You assume that the racist propaganda of dysfunctional hate organizations like IHR and its tiny world of haters spews as their twisted, bitter, specious "truth" is worthy of any kind of serious rebuttal. The lame arguments, the doctored "evidence", the cascade of logical fallacies, the outright lies and even the faux hypocritical indignation provide the rest of us with a sad and telling profile in ignorance.

    If it was your ideas, instead of what amounts to regurgitated hate literature, then I would be pleased to respond to your post - mano a mano.

    But refuting the confused ramblings of knuckle dragging haters, who's faith is in hatred, would be like Ali stepping into the ring to fight herve villachez.

    I am surprised that you aren't embarrased by actually posting some of this stuff,
     
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    Awesome. really. truly a work of art.
     
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    I said that- ' One would expect Zionist fascists to claim that their victims were military. They still do it today.' And so they do.
     
  16. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol Moon, do you have a fast key for Zionist fascists programmed on your keyboard? It got old long time ago :)
     

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