HRW Confirms Gaza Terrorists Killed Gaza Boy Shown in Iconic Photo of Egypt’s PM

Terrorism is often used as a political weapon by the strong against the weak for propaganda purposes. I hope we can agree on that. Terrorism is also essentially something the other guy does. I hope we can agree on that too. Conveniently for some apologists for Western terrorism, the deliberate targetting of civilians by the strong against the weak is not an issue since in their minds no such targetting takes place. Leaving aside the fact that that is not necessarily true as for example, highlighted by the Goldstone Report, bombing densely populated urban areas (ie Baghdad) INEVITABLY results in the deaths of civilans. So in other words, the notion of lack of intentionality in such cases is moot anyway.

 

Ive never believed that terrorism was limited to the weak. Got anything relevant to contribute or just strawman to scamper off after? Maybe Peter will join you.

 

What strawmen? Now please answer whether your notion of terrorism is restricted to the actions of your official enemies?

 

He basically thinks Jews have never, and can never be terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims.

That is it.

I prefer to listen to men who know...

[video=youtube;1YrgtUQl38M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1YrgtUQl38M[/video]

 

I contend that his position is a flawed one, in that he seems to be under the impression that terrorism is restricted to what the other guy does because they, unlike us, intentionally target civilians. It's a completely bogus argument.

 

No. Why do you ask?

 

Terrorist target buses, tea shops, and other civilian areas.
Resistance fighters target military bases, vehicles, troops.
It's real easy to see the difference. You don't judge by the collateral damage but by the target of the attack.

 

No I don't. Have any videos relevant to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto who fought against the German military? And even intentional targeting of a navy ship isn't terrorism. Targeting a cruise ship would be terrorism on the seas. Targeting a naval ship, you could allege an act of war, not terrorism.

 

When even the long time champions of the Palestinians, the Human Rights Watch comes to recognize this, it's hard to argue otherwise.

 

Who is he?

 

How about buses and tea shops full of enemy soldiers and high value targets at wedding parties. Am I hinting at anything familiar to you ?

 

Enemy soldiers and high value targets, are legitimate targets. Surrounding these targets with civilians doesnt render them illigitimate..

 

I never did get an answer from Moon and her ilk about the inherent terrorism of using rockettes (their gross inaccuracy ensuring that any damage or casualties will essentially occur at random). The Quran itself says that women and children are not to be the targets of Jihad and Islamist weaselling to the contrary such attacks are not in the spirit of Islam. Non-violent Gandhi-like tactics would probably serve the Palestineans best since the military situation is so lopsided, but if they are to carry out violent attacks they need to be plausably connected to Israeli military or political targets.

The one exception to this might be illegal Israeli settlers occupying indisputably Palestinean land. Even then such attacks could be clever (how about blowing up a sub-transformer sending power to such a settlement, or poisoning their water supply with something to induce severe vomiting and/or the runs?) and non-lethal. Suitably spectacular actions would draw attention to such Israeli behavior and would avoid the negative connotations of dead children and comparisons with Al-Qaeda and 9/11.

 

You have an almost cartoon like view of sophisticated matters.

 

It is an act of war, and the survivors of the USS Liberty were right.

They were there. You were not.

 

JFJFP have a couple of interviews with Khaled Meshaal done by the Institute of Palestine Studies. In it he is asked about targeting civilians. He justifies this by stating that Israel was the first to target civilians. He also states that Hamas has repeatedly asked Israel to come to an agreement to not target civilians but she will not agree.

http://jfjfp.com/?p=37380

He is then further told that although that this may be true, nonetheless many people believe he ought to be showing the moral high ground and not doing this.

Link as above. This link is the first interview. http://jfjfp.com/?p=37150 I found them very interesting. You might too

Maybe, maybe not. A great deal of Palestinian opposition has been non violent. Indeed Israel appears to fear non violent even more than violent for the very reason you give.
Check out this site http://blog.thejerusalemfund.org/2011/06/palestinian-gandhis-part-ii-blogging-to.html . There is though heaps of non violent resistance - it just doesn't get the headlines.

Such spectacular actions would most likely result in the annihilation of all Palestinians or their quick march to the borders of Lebanon, Syria etc. Also you are making a mistake here believing one is better than the other. Settlers are human beings too and not all are National Religious ultra orthodox extremists. Furthermore where Gaza fires her rockets - well the rough idea, is where residents of Gaza used to have their homes before they were forced to leave so really that is a settlement area too and may have something to do with the emotional feeling of those who do indulge.

Then of course you do need to remember that Israel assassinated AHMED AL-JABARI while he was in negotiations to end the rockets - go figure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/opinion/israels-shortsighted-assassination.html?_r=1&

 

Her ilk ? What's that ? A sort of antlered forest-dweller which acts as a familiar to anti-Zionists ?

Answer this- which, in your own mind- is the worst crime. Is it the sporadic deaths of two or three Israeli individuals due to the inaccuracies of Palestinian resistance weapons- or is it the regular deaths of hundreds of Palestinian individuals due to the accuracy and fire-power of the neoZionist military ?

 

Take a stab in the dark.

 

The worst crime is the deliberate targeting of innocent civilians which is the MO of Islamic terrorists deliberately targeting civilian population centers whether by using suicide belts and bombs in supermarkets and restaurants or by firing rockets at kindergartens and schools. That Islamic terrorists are stupid, incompetent failures and are not very successful is the credit of Israel's civil defense programs, intelligence and deterrent capabilities and can hardly be used as a mitigating factor for these cold-blooded murderers.

 

I'm sure that skeptic-f doesn't require the inadequate camouflage of your limp antiIslamic fluff.

 

It's a no-brainer, Moon. Israeli Government values life of it's citizens, so even one death by Palestinian terrorists is a national tragedy; For Palestinians, deaths of their people is just a cause for another publicity stint.

 

Hmm, questionable.

Here is a thing though, Dutch, in the broader question of life etc..

The approx. 7m population of Israel is about 5.5m Jews, 1.5m Muslims --- depending on where you draw the boundary line --- but this ratio is changing, because the total fertility rate of Jewish women is 2.75, while the TFR for Muslim women is 4.

Every year there are about 150,000 pregnancies to Jewish women in Israel, resulting in 100,000 live births and 50,000 abortions.

There are approximately 150,000 births per year in Israel. This includes the 100,000 live births to Israeli Jews, plus 50,000 to Israeli Muslims.

So in the Israeli Jewish community, there are twice as many live births as abortions: approximately 1/3 of all unborn Jews in Israel are aborted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Israel

 

You will find the same demographic trends in Germany with Turks having significantly more children than Germans.

Your link said nothing about 1/3 of Jews aborting their children. Please provide a source.

 

Children are not aborted Jewish or otherwise, fetuses are.

 

Well I'e like evidence from Jack that 1/3 of jewish fetuses are aborted if that is what he is claiming. I doubt we'll be seeing any though.