Huge Russian military exercise in September

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    So are you saying that overthrowing legitimately elected governments to be good? Are you saying that taking one's country to war under deception is good?

    If so, you and I are worlds apart on what is good and what is bad, what is right and what is wrong.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, I called him Gunslinger Barack for his drone assassinations.

    However, we were overthrowing legitimate governments long before he was even born. More, the war on terror was brought by George Bush. Though Barack loved killing innocents, it was started before he took office.
     
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    It is obvious. And the Russians, if there is an order of the supreme commander-in-chief, must establish a Russian flag over the White House before the New Year.
    All American troublemakers will be deported to the island of Novaya Zemlya in the Gulag.
     
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    LOL, it's not "idiot chattering", since it irritates you. I simply made a reasonable quote.

    I'm rather familiar with russian "equipment", especially Ag Tech, since I'm a heavy equipment/Ag tech mechanic, at least some of their tractors now are running German engines, it's a start.:)).
     
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    Uh hmmm, not like we'd here about it if it did.

    They wouldn't want to portray themselves less than perfect:)).
     
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    This isn't really new. As Germany and Russia have had trade relations for over a hundred years, Russia has been buying and using German made equipment for more than a century.
     
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    I don't think the Russians fought for "Freedom and democracy", I think they fought for "Freedom and Communism"
    Or Freedom and something else.
    I don't think Russians associate Democracy with freedom as much as they do with potential enemies willing to kill them all.

    I do think the Cold War is over, I just wish America would let it end.
    I see no reason not to engage in a detente with Russia.
    None at all.
     
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    Almost correct.
    One of the things they are training for, is to kill us.

    This has to be respected.
     
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    Some governments are just flat out evil and if good people stand by and do nothing they are culpable. As to war, there are times when a country has to go to war in order to insures its safety for the future and the population is just to dense, complacent, or out right hostile to the idea that they have to be lied too. That is just the reality of trying to lead a country of millions. Even if every citizen was privy to every piece of intel there would still be a large component that would balk at fighting a war even when it is necessary. A good example is Germany. We should have stomped all over Germany when they remiliterized the Rhine. Instead we let the French and the Brits screw things up. Instead FDR took a fishing trip.
     
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    Open support for terrorist groups started at Reagan

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    Who determines - good government or bad? For example, if the government creates concentration camps, such as Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, where people are tortured and killed without trial, is this good government or bad? If the government, under a fictitious pretext, for example, falsely accusing the country of having chemical weapons, starts a war and kills hundreds of thousands, and according to some estimates, millions of people are good government or bad? If this government is bad, according to your words - it must be overthrown. Do I understand you correctly? Maybe Putin is preparing to overthrow a bad government? In that case, you must support Putin.
     
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    Ah, the eternal philosophical question...What is good
     
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    Sure....takes the Krauts to know how to make an engine:))!
     
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    Russia has been a force for evil in the world since 1917, except when they did most of the fighting against Nazi Germany.
     
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    Ok. Better learn cyrillic.
     
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    It sounds to me somehow that your heart is in the right place.

    Regarding some qualities of government as you mention, George Washington compared government to fire: a useful servant, but a fearsome master.
     
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    They did in Iraq by introducing democracy and then Obama, a European hero, removed the troops.. But when has Germany or Russia ever fought for the freedom of anyone, anywhere or at any time? At least the US has a record of fighting for human rights and freedoms when both Russia and Germany have fought against them..
    It's only the wrong question because you don't have an answer.
    Crimea? The Ukraine? The UK?
    You have your answers so why ask the questions? Russian history is clear enough and their 'glasses' are much like German's.
    Then why did you make the statement?
     
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    Russia only fought Germany because they were attacked, otherwise it would have never happened. They had signed a nonaggression pact with Germany, smacking a little of deja vu today.. The US even warned Stalin what Hitler was planning but he refused to believe it.

    Russia deserves no credit whatsoever. As you say, they were a force for evil in the world since 1917 and there never was a day's exception.
     
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    That question was largely answered by Jesus Christ, "So in everything, do unto others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."
     
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    Their first parade together will be exciting to see. They both love parades.
     
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    The Russian bear is a very sick bear indeed who conventional military is back up by a GNP equal to such world powers as Italy.

    The US on the other hand spend more funds on it military then the rest of the world combine back up by the largest economic in the world.

    Yes Russia can be annoying by for example doing a cyber attack that resulted in our having a fool as a president but as a serious military threat to the west you got to be kidding me.
     
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    LMAO. They've got more tanks, more troops more choppers, more bullets and more nukes than you ever have or will.
    And their president, he can kill you. In person.
     
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    Russia doesn’t have more troops. And the US doesn’t need that many tanks - mountains are on both coasts, they provide nice protection. Russia, at least the part that matters, is flat.
     
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    Fighting an armed force who invaded your country is not the definition of "terrorist".
     

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