If Biden wins... can we come together on this Forum?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't mean we shouldn't debate anymore... Or stop throwing arguments or innuendos at each other.

    But this country needs to start healing. That means everybody. Pro and anti-Biden alike. We have so many things to fix: the pandemic, the economy, climate change, NK, ...

    I know we disagree on how to do this. But we tried your way and it didn't work. Let's try ours and see what happens. I'm not going to be here the next day gloating, or delivering accusing I-told-you-so's. This isn't about Trump or Biden or Republicans or Democrats, or about anybody on this forum... It's about our country. Somehow we will need to come together.

    And yes, I know Biden can lose. But I have no say whatsoever on what Trump followers will do if they win. And it's not in Trump's DNA to seek unity. I only have a very tiny say on what Biden supporters should do. Which is that I hope we think less on who lost and more on the challenges that the future will bring. And that we are all on the same boat.
     
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    At least in that case there will be a new market for "Not My President" merchandise.
     
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    Hahaha no. It will just be a repeat of the Obama years, with the appropriate rage of living increase to bring us to current rage levels for the times. The Biden folks will spend their time defending and dismissing and the Trump folks will supply all the righteous indignation. The Biden folks will excuse any corruption that comes to light after Biden wins and it will be the Trumpers turn to point out corruption and then look around at each other with a "Can you believe this? Biden is so corrupt. How can people not care?" look on their face, forgetting that they just spent 4 years exploring new depths of apathy when it comes to the corruption and dishonesty of their guy.

    Heck, they've already started with that. Maybe they know Trump is going to lose and are just getting a jump on things...
     
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    Too late for healing. The country is too diverse.
     
  6. Xyce

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    No.

    You don't get to come up with phony investigations and uncalled-for, divisive rhetoric during the 4 years of this presidency, playing politics with the economy and people's lives to disgustingly gain political points. You don't get to essentially try to disenfranchise the millions who voted for Trump with a phony impeachment, and then ask us to come together if your guy wins, especially when your guy says that the basis for his presidency was Trump's Charlottesville comment, mischaracterizing them to say that Trump was calling neo-Nazi's "very fine people," trying to divide us on race. Your side has put this country through hell to try to win political points to gain back the presidency by any means necessary simply out of derangement.

    So, again, the answer is no. Hell no! If Biden wins, I want the Republicans to go after him the same way that the Democrats did these last four years with the same vitriolic intensity. I want never-ending investigations and an impeachment, should he win.
     
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    I agree with you that we are all in the same boat. We are all Americans, and we should show respect for one another.

    Now if Biden wins, and let's say the Democrats take the Senate too, then if you want healing in this country, then I suggest there are some things the Democrats should not do.

    - Do not pack the Supreme Court.
    - Do not make DC and Puerto Rico states.
    - Do not raise taxes on the middle class.
    - Do not raise taxes on corporations and make China cheer in the process.
    - Do not support defunding the police, and do not molly coddle rioters.
    - Do not try to erode the 2nd Amendment.
    - Do not support open border policies.
    - Do not destroy our energy industry.

    Think you can not do those things? If you want healing, you must not try to do those things. If you do them, there will be no healing.
     
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    The Dem Party leadershp will cease being insane and cease trying to destroy this nation? Sure, if they will cease and desist then I will be all sweetness and light. Easy-peasy.
     
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    No, this the other party is the enemy is far from ending.
    It started in 1990s and won't end if Biden wins.

    United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
    I don't see a unifer on the horizon, Biden says he will try, but it will take a generation, IMO.
     
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    Wait, you mean that thing that the American people don't have a right to know if Biden will do or not. That thing? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.
     
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    Absolutely... as long as Biden crashes Antifa and BLM, continues building the wall and stops illegal immigration, keeps pressure on China, stops outsourcing, continues reducing regulations, squashes the Squad like disgusting bugs that they are, rips up the Green new scam.... well you get the idea... sure we'll come together, we won't even impeach him for his 47 years of proven corruption.

    You don't expect us to come together based on the uber-leftist fascist cancel culture, green new scam, outsourcing, the destruction of our energy industry, do you? After your side rejected the "America First" concept, you don't really expect us to come together under the leftist "America Sucks" one. Or do you?

    PS if elected Biden will be an illegitimate president, elected due to media's Goebbels tactic, lies and censorship amounting to hundreds of billions in illegal in-kind campaign contributions. He'll have to prove himself first before we'll accept his presidency. Implementing America first, not Globalism/Swamp First agenda will be a step in the right direction
     
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    This forum isn't about healing.
     
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    I will vote for President Trump.

    But I am very very pessimistic.
     
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    Don't be... latest poll from Iowa has Trump ahead by 7% (and senator Ernst by 4%), in Texas the Republicans are whoppping 17% ahead of the Democrats in actual early voting, in Florida's Miami Dade county 150,000 democrat voters are MIA (Trump won the state by just 115,000 or so), in Pennsylvania 75% of the blacks have not returned their ballots, in Arizona 66% of Hispanics haven't.

    The facts they don't want you to know to keep you pessimistic.
    :)
     
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    You want this country to heal? Do you realize those that are tearing this country apart are the left? Those that are burning cities, rioting, assaulting, erasing history, all the left. Knowing that, who are you addressing in this thread?
     
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    my question for the op is whether he/she would be willing to "start healing" if trump is re-elected. for the last four years we have watched as the democrats have thrown the most gigantic temper tantrum in the nation's history. are we just supposed to forget all that? are we just supposed to join hands and sing kumbaya because the kiddies finally got their way? is this only a one way street? you say you've tried "our" way, but you never did. the useful idiots put up every roadblock they could manage and still trump's administration outstripped everything that the progressives could ever manage. eight years of progressive mismanagement gave us mediocre growth in what is undeniably the greatest wealth producing machine the world has ever known. the current epidemic is the progressives' greatest wet-dream. it allows you to ignore all of the strides forward and concentrate solely on the devastation that has been caused largely by democratic mismanagement at a local level. of course the democrats could have done it better, but only after having already lived through it and seen some of the mistakes that might be made. hindsight is 20-20.

    now let's get back to reality. shall we? the democratic party is and always has been a political slut. it sided with poor white s**t-kickers until it was obvious that the tide was turning, then it threw them under the bus. it then tossed crumbs to minority voters and expected "them ni66ers to be voting democrat for the next fifty years". well the fifty years is up, but the new batch of crumbs is to excuse murder and mayhem as a proper response the the illusory concept of systemic racism in a system that they themselves helped to put in place and is most evident in places where democratic control is almost absolute. the problem they have is that enough black americans have succeeded in this country to be a viable voice in american politics that says the system is not as racist as they have been led to believe, that the inordinate number of black incarcerations and deaths have more to do with a cultural failing than with some imaginary conspiracy by the white man. the response is predictable. "these people aren't truly black", "these people are betraying black culture". sorry folks, but "black culture" is simply a part of american culture and most of us have been perfectly willing to embrace our fellow americans all this time. all we ask is that they stop the killing, stop the crime and stop trying to separate themselves from the rest of us. if you aren't willing to become a part of the american whole and accept our sense of responsibility and our work ethic, then you can expect to be treated as something less than our society deems acceptable, something to be feared, ostracized and ultimately destroyed.
     
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    Since we don't agree at all as to what the problem is or how to fix it likely not.
     
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    There are about 30 - 40 regular posters on this forum. And it’s mainly threads filled with bombastic hyperbole and stale talking points from both sides with some Russian Troll Farm action thrown in . It’s just not normal.

    I wouldn’t take any of it as representative of average Americans so asking for normal discourse here just isn’t going to happen.
     
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    since you chose to not come together 4 years ago, because your guy lost, are you saying that you're willing to come together if your guy wins ?
     
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    Nah. Consensus and constructive interactions rarely happen here, and they will continue to be rare after the election (maybe even more polarized as rage and resentments are only growing in American politics). Nice of you to try, but it's hopeless.
     
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    Beautifully cathartic isn't it (when the head doesn't explode). I have migrated from what became a Trumper-controlled board, so it gets far worse.

    The weird thing is the other side are not bad people.
     
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    Picking at scabs and slapping at flies, for some. Delight for others, watching liberals whine.
     
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    I don't think you should expect Republican Congresscritters to supply any more votes to pass dem priorities than they (dems) supplied did to pass Republican priorities, which is to say, virtually zero. If the dems try to nuke the legislative filibuster, you will have forfeited any claim to seeking unity.

    Any other questions I can answer for you?
     
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    What is the Conservative equivalent of whining, I wonder? ^^
     

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