Is health care a responsibility of the government. or a personal responsibility?

Taxes are taking of property with consent of the owner. So what you are saying is if you are not a citizen, like an illegal alien, you don't have to pay taxes?

When force is used to take property under any circumstances belonging to another, that is the definition of theft. Communism is the ultimate of theft from the private person, right down to starving them to death that was done in Russia and China in the 20th century. It doesn't work with a "but" or "except", using force or stealth to remove value of ownership from an individual is stealing. You are trying to slide by the description of theft because admitting it make you morally corrupt.

Just admit that taxes are THEFT BY FORCE. Once we get to that definition, then we can move forward on a better course is that some theft is or is not morally wrong. You are trying to sidestep the realities, that theft by force is sometimes necessary to create a society that functions. But we have to admit some theft of property MUST happen to make it function.

All FORCED taxation is theft. It has to be, or the word theft is not theft.

 

I prefer my plan Democrats pay all the tax, Republicans pay nothing. Seems totally fair to me and plays to our strengths.

Democrats do like to be the victim after all.

 

I too am in favor of doctor assisted suicide. People shouldn't have to suffer. It should be their choice if they want to end the agony.

 

What if there was no income tax? Does that mean that everyone's total income is a direct subsidy from the government?
How do you give someone who pays no taxes a tax deduction? How does that work????

 

That has nothing to do with the discussion. If you want to say that the federal government is inherently socialist, then I agree.

It's come a long way from a weak federal government to what we have now. I know you're happy with the results, but really, that has no bearing on the morality of taxation or how it is tied to communist ideology.

 

Our elected legislators approved those taxes, and they are NOT unconstitutional. . . . Standing for the national anthem is a token gesture if that is the ONLY way you are willing to support your country.

Is patriotism immoral??? "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

Unfunded government can only lead to anarchy.

 

When you buy groceries, is the clerk committing theft if you pay begrudgingly??? Equating payment of taxes with communism is a ludicrous comparison.

If you are going to make this a semantic argument, you're going to have to do better than that.

I can see where you're coming from, though. . . . You don't want to pay taxes, you don't want to do ANYTHING that could potentially benefit others.

In all matters, "my way or the highway''. . . . PATRIOTISM???

 

Pay attention. That is why I said that tax cuts are a way of subsidizing the rich without doing anything to help the poor. That is why Ivanka's plan for daycare for working moms was such a joke.

And your first sentence

" What if there was no income tax? Does that mean that everyone's total income is a direct subsidy from the government? "

Makes no sense.

 

And strangely enough the transition from a weak federal government to where we are now has coincided with America becoming a rich and sucessful nation.

 

No I'm not. Look, you have a choice: you want to live in our society,, you play by the rules of this society. Or you can leave for somewhere where you can make up your own rules. You can also stay and try to change them. You do that by convincing others. But you're not going to do that by just calling things you don't like some "mean name". Real arguments are required.. And, so far, you have offered none.

 

No! There should not be any pre-set limits based on age! Ever! You will understand this better as you grow up. There is none in any civilized country with universal healthcare. That's why they are "civilized" Why would there be in ours?

 

Taking other people's stuff.

 

Oh, we are now down to "get out of town if you don't like communism" I wondered when we would get there. Just had to wait for the liberal talking points that don't work run out.

But the question is, are taxes theft. Yes they are, because it is taking of assets by force. I would like to see a voluntary tax system. A nice 10% flat forced tax would do nicely. Now if you wish and you feel that more tax money is a better thing, then you tax yourself PERSONALLY, no body forces you to pay, you do it because you THINK it creates a solid society. Knock yourself out. You would then get the PERSONAL privilege of supporting the poor all by yourself. You would become a poor hero. That mean you get to be the hero, get what you want (more taxes) and the rest of us can sit back and laugh at you.

 

What if someone doesn't want to live in your society but just wants to live in their house?

 

What is the difference between a burglar and a welfare recipient. The burglar steal himself and put himself at risk. A welfare recipient simply lets the government steal from you without risk while sitting home is a big fat easy chair, buying drugs with their food stamps and starving their own children..

 

Golan, you still run away from my question. What IS theft? And why is it a mean name when it is what it is?

 

It is the state that is the thief.

 

We drifted away from healthcare, so I started a new thread "are taxes theft. Lets see what happens. Don't want Golan to miss out defining theft for me.

 

He already has. It's what the government does, and if you don't like the government being a thief, then get the hell out of the country.

You can't be anymore obvious than that. He's not hiding behind nonsense definitions, but rather right out in the open in defense of theft.

 

"taxes = theft" is such a stupid argument. There is no rational discouraged to be had with someone clinging to such stupidity.

 

Define "Theft" then if the argument is so stupid. What is theft?

 

yet you have no argument...

Do you really think just making stupid statements is going to change anybody's mind?

 

No thank you. Not interested in this stupid line of reasoning.

 

Of course I have an argument. I am just not going to waste any time engaging this idiotic line of reasoning. I said what I have to say. If you feel the need to soothe yourself by twissting it to mean victory for you, go right ahead. I will not lose any sleep.

 

You're asking me what is theft? Theft is the criminal act of taking another person's property illegally.. And why is it bad? Many reasons.... it's illegal in a country of laws. It debilitates social coherence.